[Redway]

And the laughable thing is, Ness, you ain’t even English yourself. You emigrated here from Italy.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Redway

And the laughable thing is, Ness, you ain’t even English yourself. You emigrated here from Italy.

So? I can still have my opinion on things.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Redway

And the laughable thing is, Ness, you ain’t even English yourself. You emigrated here from Italy.

many italians also emigrated to the US long time ago

and many famous people came from those backgrounds too

- Dean Martin
- Frank Sinatra
- Robert De Niro
- Francis Ford Coppola

to name some, and many more

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

many italians also emigrated to the US long time ago

and many famous people came from those backgrounds too

- Dean Martin
- Frank Sinatra
- Robert De Niro
- Francis Ford Coppola

to name some, and many more

Just like many Chinese people emigrated to the U.K. a long time ago, many black people found themselves in the U.K. not just via slavery but through being seafarers centuries ago, etc. But Vanessa isn’t giving people like that a look in because they aren’t white. She might not mean to be an imparter of internalised racism but that’s what she’s doing. Fact remains she’s a foreigner herself and that’s the beginning and end of it.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Redway

Just like many Chinese people emigrated to the U.K. a long time ago, many black people found themselves in the U.K. not just via slavery but through being seafarers centuries ago, etc. But Vanessa isn’t giving people like that a look in because they aren’t white. She might not mean to be an imparter of internalised racism but that’s what she’s doing. Fact remains she’s a foreigner herself and that’s the beginning and end of it.

I'm not a racist.
But you can think what you want.
It's not racist to ask questions, especially after what is going on here in the UK.

[jet]

Between 2019/20 and 2021/22, 68% of principal suspects convicted of homicide were from the white ethnic group, followed by 14% from the black ethnic group and 15% from the other ethnic group.

As around 80% of British are white, those homicide conviction stats are much, much higher for ethnic minorities compared to white homicides.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by jet

As around 80% of British are white, those homicide conviction stats are much, much higher for ethnic minorities compared to white homicides.

I was responding to a comment which implied the majority of violent attacks were from non-British, which isn’t true.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Redway

She might not mean to be an imparter of internalised racism but that’s what she’s doing.

Let's face it she probably picked up a lot of it right here on TiBB but the staff simply are not listening one teeny tiny little bit. I honestly can't conclude anything at this point but that they (by which I mean, whoever is actually making the wider decisions, I know moderators hands may be tied) do not care. At all.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Let's face it she probably picked up a lot of it right here on TiBB but the staff simply are not listening one teeny tiny little bit. I honestly can't conclude anything at this point but that they (by which I mean, whoever is actually making the wider decisions, I know moderators hands may be tied) do not care. At all.

And that’s the beginning and end of it. Someone somewhere just does not give a stuff. Otherwise LeatherTrumpet would’ve been permbanned long-ago.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Let's face it she probably picked up a lot of it right here on TiBB but the staff simply are not listening one teeny tiny little bit. I honestly can't conclude anything at this point but that they (by which I mean, whoever is actually making the wider decisions, I know moderators hands may be tied) do not care. At all.

So we aren't allowed an opinion in here. Got it

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

So we aren't allowed an opinion in here. Got it

Oh, you can have your “opinion”. But other people have every right to challenge it. It’s a discussion-board after-all, as you’ve keenly pointed out.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Redway

Oh, you can have your “opinion”. But other people have every right to challenge it. It’s a discussion-board after-all, as you’ve keenly pointed out.

We can agree to disagree then. That's it.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

The thing is again though this genuinely happens without any immigration at all, if you live in sleepy/small villages that start to become "gentrified" with city-commuting professionals etc.

You should see the local facebook groups around here. All-out war between "born and bred locals" and people who have moved into the area. And we're not talking immigrants or ghettoisation here - we're talking 4-and-5-bedroom homes with young families and still 99% white British.

Locals "who have been here for generations" do not like it at all.

We thought my wife was experiencing a racism from the elderly dad of a neighbour because she's from England -- but no -- apparently even being Scottish isn't good enough and he branded me an "interloper" as well because I grew up a 1.5 hour drive away .

The amount of hate I got in Scotland for being from England (and the US) was genuinely mind boggling. I’d have grown men get angry with me for wearing an England shirt. I felt like it was only the Scottish that were hateful, I never received any hate for being Scottish when I was in England

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Let's face it she probably picked up a lot of it right here on TiBB but the staff simply are not listening one teeny tiny little bit. I honestly can't conclude anything at this point but that they (by which I mean, whoever is actually making the wider decisions, I know moderators hands may be tied) do not care. At all.

Twitter and FB have some very convincing accounts. For both sides. It’s easy to be swayed into a certain kind of rhetoric these days imo.

Best option is to learn from all views imo

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Redway

Just like many Chinese people emigrated to the U.K. a long time ago, many black people found themselves in the U.K. not just via slavery but through being seafarers centuries ago, etc. But Vanessa isn’t giving people like that a look in because they aren’t white. She might not mean to be an imparter of internalised racism but that’s what she’s doing. Fact remains she’s a foreigner herself and that’s the beginning and end of it.

So now you're saying Vanessa is racist?? , one minute she's a " foreigner herself" ( which could be seen as a little rude & baity) , to now she doesn't care about non white people ?.

This is why so many people don't get involved in these types of discussions,as words get twisted and names get called.

[Livia]

so far as I can see, Vanessa is talking about endless, unchecked immigration. She has a point, it's not racist to voice it.

[thesheriff443]

When you treat everyone the same you don’t get problems because one group can’t turn around and say the other group is getting treated differently

Yes have many religions and cultures but there must be one law for and one rule for everyone

Added to this you basically have ignorant people on all sides willing to go out the streets without knowing tge truth of why they are there

[Redway]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

So now you're saying Vanessa is racist?? , one minute she's a " foreigner herself" ( which could be seen as a little rude & baity) , to now she doesn't care about non white people ?.

This is why so many people don't get involved in these types of discussions,as words get twisted and names get called.

There’s a difference between being consciously and intentionally racist and subconsciously letting yourself be swayed by the influence of white supremacy, which can be very insidious in how it permeates opinion. It’s not always intentional and it does not make an intentional racist but it happens nonetheless. It’s not always as simple as ‘I’m not racist; I have black friends, I have Asian friends, I even have mixed friends and I mean no harm x’. White supremacy like I say can be very insidious in the way it affects the world.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

The amount of hate I got in Scotland for being from England (and the US) was genuinely mind boggling. I’d have grown men get angry with me for wearing an England shirt. I felt like it was only the Scottish that were hateful, I never received any hate for being Scottish when I was in England

As a Scotsman who lived in England for two years trust me it is there!

It's not the majority of people by a huge stretch don't get me wrong, but those who do "take issue" don't tend to hide it.

TBF wearing an England top in Scotland... is a statement...

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Livia

so far as I can see, Vanessa is talking about endless, unchecked immigration. She has a point, it's not racist to voice it.

Yes that's what I'm worried about. Surely it's dangerous? We're seeing the results right now in the UK. It's frightening.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

So now you're saying Vanessa is racist?? , one minute she's a " foreigner herself" ( which could be seen as a little rude & baity) , to now she doesn't care about non white people ?.

This is why so many people don't get involved in these types of discussions,as words get twisted and names get called.

Exactly. It's a discussion forum. There's no need for nastiness. We're not going to agree on everything in here, that's normal.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Redway

There’s a difference between being consciously and intentionally racist and subconsciously letting yourself be swayed by the influence of white supremacy, which can be very insidious in how it permeates opinion. It’s not always intentional and it does not make an intentional racist but it happens nonetheless. It’s not always as simple as ‘I’m not racist; I have black friends, I have Asian friends, I even have mixed friends and I mean no harm x’. White supremacy like I say can be very insidious in the way it affects the world.

I know what you're saying ,and while I'll agree there is hatred & racism being stirred up ....not everyone feels the same way.

I know there's some talking heads out there who will be Sen as ' far right ' ,but why is it nowadays if anyone questions or has concerns over these topics...they automatically get thrown into the ' far right ' camp aswell.

I'm nowhere politically ...if anything I feel homeless in that area. I'm firmly in the centre .

[LaLaLand]

Love it.

Main thing for me, being a big “foodie”, is the wide range of cuisine restaurants now here - when I was a kid it was just Indian or Chinese but now we have Turkish, Portuguese, Polish, Italian, Caribbean etc etc.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by LaLaLand

Love it.

Main thing for me, being a big “foodie”, is the wide range of cuisine restaurants now here - when I was a kid it was just Indian or Chinese but now we have Turkish, Portuguese, Polish, Italian, Caribbean etc etc.

The best thing about it : the food, definitely

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Exactly. It's a discussion forum. There's no need for nastiness. We're not going to agree on everything in here, that's normal.

I think it's a valid conversation for sure, we can agree or disagree and be polite about it.

Originally Posted by LaLaLand

Love it.

Main thing for me, being a big “foodie”, is the wide range
of cuisine restaurants now here - when I was a kid it was
just Indian or Chinese but now we have Turkish,
Portuguese, Polish, Italian, Caribbean etc etc.

I agree ,I think that's one of the best thing about how diverse we are ,and how we are trying different cuisine from all over .