[bots]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I mean it's fairly evident that a lot of devout Muslims will be against homosexuality but yes the thing people like to ignore is that the fundamentalist Christians have exactly the same attitudes - the issue is hardline religion in general, not any specific religion.

We've just, in most of Europe, gotten used to our Christianity being much more liberal and soft than it once was. For now. Do a bit of digging at any friendly Church Group and you'll find that their opinions remain largely the same as ever, they just don't share them as openly. We're accustomed to fluffy Christianity, and conveniently forget the inquisitions, conquests and crusades.

The only meaningful difference is that Islam is a newer religion than Christianity.

You only need to look at america to see what lies just beneath the surface regarding religion. Those fundamentalist christian groups have been working for decades to create a power base and when Trump came along and said, if you make me president I will do it for you. This is what happens

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Christian extremists and Muslim extremists have exactly the same beliefs, just wrapped up in different books, but one is seen as worse than the other because of the colour of their skin, when in reality on most subjects the both sets of weirdos would be hand in hand screaming for the extinction for my community

I think another part of the problem is that "for some reason" (we know the reason of course) people seem to be totally unwilling to accept that moderate Muslims exist and it is, in fact, the majority of Muslims. There's a LARGER proportion of more hardline Muslims than Christians (in the UK at least, I'm not so sure about the US) but the majority are not.

It reminds me of the clip that goes around of an old documentary where a working-class white family and a Muslim family are put together to have dinner in each other's homes, and the white mum is absolutely fascinated to see that they have "a PlayStation and Sky!" and that the house "Doesn't even smell like Muslims" .

[Livia]

Most people who've grown up and lived in areas where Christians (and definitely Jews) are the minority, don't need to be told that most Muslims are moderate.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

Just watched the video of a lone white man attacked outside The Clumsy Swan pub in Birmingham. The place was surrounded and people had to barricade the doors. The gang was Muslim, the police did not attend.

Yes that should be shown on BBC and ITV news


I posted the Tweet on this thread

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Most people who've grown up and lived in areas where Christians (and definitely Jews) are the minority, don't need to be told that most Muslims are moderate.

And you get race riots in Southport. Demographics below.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

Most people who've grown up and lived in areas where Christians (and definitely Jews) are the minority, don't need to be told that most Muslims are moderate.

True

[The Slim Reaper]

Disappointing to see people trying to back pedal. Stay masks off. Keep that energy.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes that should be shown on BBC and ITV news


I posted the Tweet on this thread

Police did not show up and sky news never mentioned it was a gang of muslims.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

There’s braindead racist thuggery on one side and a community defending themselves, their families and their communities on the other, l

Why are you so eager to excuse one side's racist thuggery?

Those standing around armed, blocking the roundabout, and shouting Allahu Ackbar weren't defending anyone against anything.

Nor were the instances of white-bashing.

It's only self-defence when it's in response to an actual and immediate physical threat or attack.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Police did not show up and sky news never mentioned it was a gang of muslims.

It was all very fast

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Nobody in their right mind condones rioters from every side, but it doesn't change fundamental facts. A small majority of the UK don't want immigration. They are fed stories about illegal immigration every day of the week. When a new government comes in that got there on the back of a tiny percentage of the popular vote ( much less than voted for brexit) and that new government is seen as sympathetic to immigrants over their own population, it is a recipe for unrest.

Those are undeniable facts

How dare you, you must pick a side..... its playground politics, pick a side....let there be no nuance you are on one side or the other

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Why are you so eager to excuse one side's racist thuggery?

Those standing around armed, blocking the roundabout, and shouting Allahu Ackbar weren't defending anyone against anything.

Nor were the instances of white-bashing.

It's only self-defence when it's in response to an actual and immediate physical threat or attack.

That is exactly my point. Thank you

[Cherie]

you have to ask why are the media not welcome, Sky and LBC both run out of areas now? Jonathan Ashworth was also told he was not welcome while campaigning they have a problem there that needs addressing unless we are saying some areas are out of bounds for some people?

Anyone got an answer to this?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Why are you so eager to excuse one side's racist thuggery?

Those standing around armed, blocking the roundabout, and shouting Allahu Ackbar weren't defending anyone against anything.

Nor were the instances of white-bashing.

It's only self-defence when it's in response to an actual and immediate physical threat or attack.

English White man bad, rest of the world good, honestly Oliver why do I have to explain this to you

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

you have to ask why are the media not welcome, Sky and LBC both run out of areas now? Jonathan Ashworth was also told he was not welcome while campaigning they have a problem there that needs addressing unless we are saying some areas are out of bounds for some people?

Anyone got an answer to this?

How about this for an answer:

Media companies have regurgitated these anti-Muslim/immigration talking points, often fed to them by politicians, so why would they be open to the media coming into their communities now, just to rubber neck at the violence?

Jonathan Ashworth made a completely racist comment about sending people back to Bangladesh (as was Starmer, by the way) in the run up to the election, and you wonder why he might not be welcome?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

How about this for an answer:

Media companies have regurgitated these anti-Muslim/immigration talking points, often fed to them by politicians, so why would they be open to the media coming into their communities now, just to rubber neck at the violence?

Having entirely peaceful demonstrations broadcast would be good PR, no? Chasing reporters away spins a different narrative.

[Vanessa]

https://x.com/GBNEWS/status/18207732...kuIMiVRgA&s=19
The owner of the pub in Birmingham interviewed. There were kids in there as well and they were terrified.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

entirely peaceful demonstrations

Can you describe what's involved in those in the context of the last week.

Surely, surely you can't be describing angry mostly-half-drunk morons shouting about how those three poor young girls wouldn't have been killed "if it wasn't for all the immigrants" as a peaceful demonstration.

Honestly I mostly try not to think about how those girls deaths have been exploited for this. It's just ****ing horrendous.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Cherie

you have to ask why are the media not welcome, Sky and LBC both run out of areas now? Jonathan Ashworth was also told he was not welcome while campaigning they have a problem there that needs addressing unless we are saying some areas are out of bounds for some people?

Anyone got an answer to this?

They can't go there. They've been chased out. They slashed the reporter's tyres. And they understandably had to leave.
It shouldn't be like this!

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

They can't go there. They've been chased out. They slashed the reporter's tyres. And they understandably had to leave.
It shouldn't be like this!

The racists are actively attacking the press, any word on that?

[Ammi]

[Beso]

All muslim houses I've been in dont watch british news channels.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Can you describe what's involved in those in the context of the last week.

Surely, surely you can't be describing angry mostly-half-drunk morons shouting about how those three poor young girls wouldn't have been killed "if it wasn't for all the immigrants" as a peaceful demonstration.

Honestly I mostly try not to think about how those girls deaths have been exploited for this. It's just ****ing horrendous.

No, I'm talking about the demonstrations mentioned in the post I had quoted. The ones from which reporters were chased.

[Vanessa]

https://x.com/GoldingBF/status/18207...GkNtGtrIQ&s=19
In Bolton.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

The racists are actively attacking the press, any word on that?

Yes, that's what she said.