[Cranbred Goose]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How is it a different issue? By very young, I'm talking mid 20's and under

Mid-20s is young but not that young. I thought you were talking about kids and teenagers. People who haven’t experienced enough of that side of life to possibly be in a position 9/10 to know whether transitioning is truly right for them. By the age of 25, you know.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Why must the identity of a minority group constantly be scrutinised? It's not all in their heads and even if it was it wouldn't affect any of you, let people live their lives.

[Quantum Bauble]

If it was just about gender identity and people's private lives then it would be totally irrelevant, so long as safety & (proper) equity was considered e.g. sports.

But that's not true, hormonal and surgical transitions - in some cases - completely destroy lives. We know this. Some choose to ignore it. Medical professionals lie about surgical outcomes. The side effects of hormone replacement are downplayed.

In a world where everyone was open, blunt and honest about all of it the "live and let live" approach might be more understandable.

[Cranbred Goose]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

If it was just about gender identity and people's private lives then it would be totally irrelevant, so long as safety & (proper) equity was considered e.g. sports.

But that's not true, hormonal and surgical transitions - in some cases - completely destroy lives. We know this. Some choose to ignore it. Medical professionals lie about surgical outcomes. The side effects of hormone replacement are downplayed.

In a world where everyone was open, blunt and honest about all of it the "live and let live" approach might be more understandable.

We do but that’s not to say that that’s how it is in the vast majority of cases.

Anyway, none of that answers my question.

[Daniel.]

Threads like this are why no one visits the forum anymore

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

Threads like this are why no one visits the forum anymore

The forum appears to be thriving though


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[Abra]

Being transgender is categorically not a mental illness. The consensus around that is universally agreed by all major psychiatric and public health associations. The APA, RCP, and WHO are all clear that it is not a mental illness. Of course, people can disagree with that if they want to, but the organisations who actually know what they are talking about are very clear.

Gender dysphoria can be classed as a condition, but not a mental illness. The difference between the two is that a condition is something that is typically circumstantial and can be used to describe anything that is contributing towards ill health. A mental illness is pathological and is not conditional. Of course the trauma and social stigma of being trans can unfortunately lead to mental illness in some cases, but being trans itself is not the illness or the cause of this itself.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Zizu

The forum appears to be thriving though


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It’s not thriving lmao

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

It’s not thriving lmao

But there's a whole SIX votes in the poll!!

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

It’s not thriving lmao

Define thriving then .,

There appears to be hundreds if not thousands of new posts each day which sounds ok ..

I visit an American reptile forum quite frequently.. it used to be the busiest online but nowadays they may get 10 new posts ..


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[CheapLousyFaggit]

Originally Posted by Redway

But yet their mere existence is pathological to you.

Not at all. They have no more space in my mind than people with Tourettes

[Cranbred Goose]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Not at all. They have no more space in my mind than people with Tourettes

Dear God.

[The Grinch]

Originally Posted by Redway

Dear God.

You can’t make it up seriously

[Cranbred Goose]

Originally Posted by Barry.

You can’t make it up seriously

You said it. You can’t make it up.

[Quantum Bauble]

Originally Posted by Redway

We do but that’s not to say that that’s how it is in the vast majority of cases.

Anyway, none of that answers my question.

The question is an over simplification of an extremely complex issue, and none of your poll options IMO represent anything close to a well-considered answer.

But I can see that I mistook this thread for an actual discussion thread when it's not in good-Faith at all and is in fact some sort of dogwhistle for some other event in some other thread I'm not aware of.

Meh.

I'll leave you to it boys.

[Cranbred Goose]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

The question is an over simplification of an extremely complex issue, and none of your poll options IMO represent anything close to a well-considered answer.

But I can see that I mistook this thread for an actual discussion thread when it's not in good-Faith at all and is in fact some sort of dogwhistle for some other event in some other thread I'm not aware of.

Meh.

I'll leave you to it boys.

Careful with your assumptions. There’s literally no dog-whistle agenda besides the fact that Ollie, who I chose to give a voice in this thread, has proven himself to be transphobic as-per and hasn’t actually gotten past likening trans. identity to Tourette’s Syndrome. Maybe if he went into more depth about why exactly he thinks trans people are inherently mentally ill we’d be having more of a good-faith discussion, but I can’t force the conversation to go any-which way. That’s up to him.

[CheapLousyFaggit]

Originally Posted by Redway

likening trans. identity to Tourette’s Syndrome.

You're the only one stigmatising mental health issues - I don't think there's anything wrong with having Tourettes, or gender identity issues.

Anyway, the reason I don't "get past" similar comparisons is because no-one has bothered to explain it away. Why is someone thinking their body is "wrong" and needs correcting anything but a mental health issue?

[Cranbred Goose]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

You're the only one stigmatising mental health issues - I don't think there's anything wrong with having Tourettes, or gender identity issues.

Anyway, the reason I don't "get past" similar comparisons is because no-one has bothered to explain it away. Why is someone thinking their body is "wrong" and needs correcting anything but a mental health issue?

Flipping unbelievable.

[CheapLousyFaggit]

Originally Posted by Redway

Flipping unbelievable.

Yeah, that's the kind of thing.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Define thriving then .,

There appears to be hundreds if not thousands of new posts each day which sounds ok ..

I visit an American reptile forum quite frequently.. it used to be the busiest online but nowadays they may get 10 new posts ..


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By the same members. Thousands of new posts seems to be a stretch

[Cranbred Goose]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Yeah, that's the kind of thing.

You know, stating being trans as a mental illness repeatedly doesn’t make it a fact. It just makes it your prejudiced opinion.

[CheapLousyFaggit]

Originally Posted by Redway

You know, stating being trans as a mental illness repeatedly doesn’t make it a fact. It just makes it your prejudiced opinion.

I didn't just state it - I asked what makes it different to a mental disorder.

[Liam-]

The fact that not all that long ago gays were seen as mental cases because of who they were and now in the big year of 2024 there are even gays themselves trying to do the exact same thing to trans people is really just sad

[Cranbred Goose]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I didn't just state it - I asked what makes it different to a mental disorder.

I mean, by the same logic, what makes bisexuality different from a mental disorder? It wasn’t that long ago that homosexuality was an illegal pathology, and it still is in many parts of the world.

[CheapLousyFaggit]

Originally Posted by Redway

I mean, by the same logic, what makes bisexuality different from a mental disorder? It wasn’t that long ago that homosexuality was an illegal pathology, and it still is in many parts of the world.

Obviously it's ridiculous that homosexuality was ever illegal, and even more ridiculous that it still is in some places. But that doesn't really relate to the mechanisms which cause transgenderism - one is something inside which causes same-sex attraction, and the other leads to the belief that one's body is "wrong" and needs altering.