[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No passengers on the previous domestic flight which landed just two hours before they took off for Gatwick said there was no air con and no tv and one of the passengers recorded a video to send to Air India

Interesting

They would have noticed the consoles / lights/ air con weren’t working as soon as they were settled ( about 20 minutes before taking off )

??

One dodgy tv console is expected but not them all


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[bots]

the tv not working is not unusual. The flaps not working is an entirely different matter, and it really doesn't matter if it was a system failure or not, it was pilot negligence to take off with the flaps in the wrong position. There is a copilot for a reason, to make sure . that all the safety checks are completed before take off and flaps in the correct position is a major safety check

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…one of the passenger stories emerging…


Girls orphaned when father died in Air India crash after scattering wife’s ashes


Two children were orphaned when their father was killed in the Air India plane crash after travelling to scatter his wife’s ashes in her homeland, according to a fundraiser for the family.

Arjun Patoliya, 37, was killed 18 days after his wife Bharti had died from cancer, the GoFundMe page to support their daughters, aged four and eight, said.

The Briton had travelled to Gujarat to fulfil his wife’s “final wish”.

By Saturday afternoon more than £370,000 had been raised to help the girls.

The fundraiser, organised by Mr Patoliya’s colleague, said: “Their mother, Bharti Patoliya, passed away after a courageous battle with cancer.

“Fulfilling her final wish, her husband Arjun Patoliya travelled to India to scatter her ashes in her homeland in Gujarat.”

It added: “Arjun left to bid farewell to his wife, never returned to the children they both raised.

“Now, these two beautiful young girls have been left without parents — their world turned upside down in just over two weeks.”

Jesus, I hope they have a good support network.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Jesus, I hope they have a good support network.

I don’t think i would have left two young daughters at such a time .. to scatter the wife’s ashes .

Live in the moment … for the future !

If he had prioritised the poor children they would be living long happy life rather than than this unnecessary living nightmare .


He could have sent the ashes over with strict instructions or even sent them over with a friend or family member and saved an absolute fortune as well


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[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I don’t think i would have left two young daughters at such a time .. to scatter the wife’s ashes .

Live in the moment … for the future !

If he had prioritised the poor children they would be living long happy life rather than than this unnecessary living nightmare .


He could have sent the ashes over with strict instructions or even sent them over with a friend or family member and saved an absolute fortune as well


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I don’t disagree with what he did. Of course he wanted to scatter his own wife’s ashes as per her request.

[Ammi]

…he fulfilled a dying wish of his partner…that’s something I would have wanted to and only have done myself also…it’s not something that I would have ever entrusted to someone else to do…

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I don’t disagree with what he did. Of course he wanted to scatter his own wife’s ashes as per her request.

absolutely, no one goes on a journey and thinks I am going to die today, for goodness sake Zizu get a grip he wasn't Mystic Meg

[Cherie]

I see the conspiracy theorists have started already, the survivor threw himself into the the crash for compo

When someone pointed out he was actually booked on the flight.....he missed the plane and then threw himself into the fireball


Apparently he managed to transport himself from the airport to the crash site as he knew the plane was going to crash

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I don’t disagree with what he did. Of course he wanted to scatter his own wife’s ashes as per her request.

He should have put the welfare of his daughters first !


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[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Zizu

He should have put the welfare of his daughters first !


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Don’t be so bloody ridiculous. You do post some crap sometimes.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Don’t be so bloody ridiculous. You do post some crap sometimes.

Being ridiculous is leaving your two , young , grieving daughters behind and taking an expensive trip across the world to scatter some ashes … something that ANYONE could have done ..


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[arista]

I will never use Air India.


They failed on that Massive Flight

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

I will never use Air India.


They failed on that Massive Flight

Agreed


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[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Being ridiculous is leaving your two , young , grieving daughters behind and taking an expensive trip across the world to scatter some ashes … something that ANYONE could have done ..


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It’s not ridiculous…

You are making these comments based on hindsight…

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Being ridiculous is leaving your two , young , grieving daughters behind and taking an expensive trip across the world to scatter some ashes … something that ANYONE could have done ..


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Are you married?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Are you married?

Affirmative


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[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Affirmative


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So, imagine if you and your wife and kids (unsure if you have kids) lived in another country, away from your home country (I’m unsure where your home country is, but that doesn’t matter).

Your wife, who is dying of cancer, asks for you to scatter her ashes in her home country. You’re going tell her you won’t do it, and actually won’t do it?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Being ridiculous is leaving your two , young , grieving daughters behind and taking an expensive trip across the world to scatter some ashes … something that ANYONE could have done ..


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…but isn’t that the thing, that anyone couldn’t have taken her ashes to be scattered because it was a specific final wish that her husband take them…he was the person that she made that request to…should he have said no, you ask or I’ll ask someone else to take that journey to your final resting place…?…or should he have said yes, of course…and then not taken them…have her only believe that he would carry out that final thing she’d ask …?…his wife was also aware that she was mother to two young daughters and asked him to fulfil the wish…hindsight is a wonderful thing as they say, of course he wouldn’t have boarded that plane had he known its fate…but through the sadness of the tragedy, he did fulfil the wish as he obviously wanted to…

[Ammi]

…it’s now being looked at as possible duel engine failure with some new video footage that’s being studied atm…

[Nicky91]

dual engine failure makes not much sense, at takeoff, a plane can only takeoff at V1



also the footage, to me this came across more like a stall, not engine failure, i also saw no flames


the landing gear should've been up, but it remained down, the landing gear caused the drag, especially with the flaps in the fully retracted position, that caused it to stall, but the question is

why would an experienced captain and a well trained first officer not have noticed the landing gear still being down, and the flaps in the fully retracted position?

[Nicky91]

the investigators need to focus on the pre-takeoff checklist, if everything went by the book


or if they were distracted by something

[arista]

Ch4HDnews
has a reporter in India
75 people are missing
around the area where the plane crashed.

Air India has stated they will compensate

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

Ch4HDnews
has a reporter in India
75 people are missing
around the area where the plane crashed.

Air India has stated they will compensate

…well of course…and an unprecedented/landmark payment for the airline, I would think…Will they still be able to exist as an airline from that…?…

[Nicky91]

there was another similar incident, also an Air India plane


this one however returned safely to the airport




so now why did this one crash, and why does the other one, land safely despite same issue


what were these pilots doing differently?




i am also thinking this aircraft might've been in ****** Landing Mode, if the angle is exactly right, then it can go into that mode, and then it keeps the gear down, it retracts the flaps since you don't need them like you do during takeoff, and it slows down the engine thrust


Turkish Airlines flight 1951 had that when it crashed miles in front of schiphol many years ago, with this problem



could this problem having surfaced again?

[Cherie]

We flew to Spain today and were sitting by the wing so had a good view of the flaps opening and closing...they are innocuous looking things aren't they, the person in front was practically flying the plane, everyone is a pilot now and when we landed, lsome people clapped, were they expecting to die, it was just so random, a breakout round of applause, no one ever applauds a taxi driver if he delivers you to your door