[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

talking about new trade deals

not dealing with Tuesday's vote at all

He's more interested in the jetsetting and international affairs than he is running the country.

[Cherie]

It will be a two tier system from two tier Keir, anyone who applies now will be subject to different rules, God help anyone who gets disabled now, and when they talk about the social welfare bill will double in 10 years no one asks how much of this is due to 500 plus people arriving every week on boats, there aren't 500 people becoming disabled or being born disabled every week I would wager

[arista]

Sky News Text:
[The prime minister's concessions
Welfare reforms have created a
£4.25bn hole in his budget.

It says the decision to row back on cuts
to disability benefits raises the likelihood
of tax rises in the future.]

[Oliver_W]

Thank goodness we're pissing away billions to Mauritius in exchange for ... giving them the Chagos Islands and Diego Garcia for free.

Never mind tax rises, which will only be pointlessly spuffed up the wall anyway, why don't they look at where the money is going? Take the "DOGE" approach.

[bots]

i do like the way uk democracy works. Even when a party wins with a landslide , the majority party becomes its own opposition. It's not a one off either, it's happened before. It just shows how british politics is different from anywhere else

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bots

i do like the way uk democracy works. Even when a party wins with a landslide , the majority party becomes its own opposition. It's not a one off either, it's happened before. It just shows how british politics is different from anywhere else

Although I'm still in favour of PR for elections.

You are spot on in what you say above bots.
It's actually good to see happen to as well especially on these issues that have brought about this unrest from the backbenchers.

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

Ian Dale speaking on Trevor Phillips
said it is not going to be fair
in that : any in the reassessment will be put
onto the New System.

Which will affect some, who still can not work
but are stuck in a reassessment

[Ammi]

Starmer’s welfare cuts could leave thousands of disabled women trapped with abusers, campaigners warn…



Thousands of disabled women could find themselves trapped with abusers as a result of the government’s upcoming welfare cuts, campaigners have warned, despite Sir Keir Starmer offering significant concessions on the reforms late on Thursday.

In the face of a growing rebellion, the prime minister announced adjustments to his welfare bill, including protecting personal independence payments (PIP) for all existing claimants – a move that is expected to ensure the legislation passes its second reading on Tuesday.

But domestic violence charity Refuge and the Women’s Budget Group (WBG) have issued a stark warning over the reforms, saying that in the long term, the cuts to vital funding for daily living costs for disabled people – which will impact all new claimants – will make it difficult for those at risk to flee abusive relationships.

Even with the concessions, the welfare cuts will be “devastating for disabled women”, WBG said, noting that disabled women are twice as likely to be victims of domestic abuse.

For many, PIP is the only income they receive, WBG warned, so not having access to this source of individual support elevates the risk of coercive control and makes it harder to escape abusive situations.

…full article….

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2777621.html

[thesheriff443]

They got to give the money to healthy young men who have no right to be in the country
And send hundreds of millions to Ukraine to fight their war

The real enemy is our own poxy government

[arista]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

They got to give the money to healthy young men who have no right to be in the country
And send hundreds of millions to Ukraine to fight their war

The real enemy is our own poxy government

Yes, that's a mess PM Starmer,
can not change

[arista]

PM Starmer has admitted
One speech he never read it, first.
possibly due to the Fire attack at his former home
at that time.


The phrase "An Island of Strangers"

was in that.



Ref: Panel debate on Trevor Phillips, SkyNewsHD today

[Ammi]

Keir Starmer has said he did not get a grip on the Labour rebellion over disability benefits earlier because he was focused on foreign affairs.…


…Keir not so two tier then if he’s only able to focus on one crisis at a time…one tier, oh dear Keir….

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Keir Starmer has said he did not get a grip on the Labour rebellion over disability benefits earlier because he was focused on foreign affairs.…


…Keir not so two tier then if he’s only able to focus on one crisis at a time…one tier, oh dear Keir….

what a load of tosh, he has know about this for months

[bots]

it seems to me that each new government is more dishonest than the last. Everyone knows this labour government are blatant liars, a level on from Boris

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Keir Starmer has said he did not get a grip on the Labour rebellion over disability benefits earlier because he was focused on foreign affairs.…


…Keir not so two tier then if he’s only able to focus on one crisis at a time…one tier, oh dear Keir….

Originally Posted by Cherie

what a load of tosh, he has know about this for months

To be fair, he has been doing a lot of jetsetting and lapping it up with foreign leaders.

[joeysteele]

Listening to the changes to this bill as being outlined a bit more today.
It would be nowhere near enough for me.
I wouldn't be able to support these proposals still at this time.
It is very disappointing.

Liz Kendall too, is extremely annoying.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Listening to the changes to this bill as being outlined a bit more today.
It would be nowhere near enough for me.
I wouldn't be able to support these proposals still at this time.
It is very disappointing.

Liz Kendall too, is extremely annoying.

You know what will happen Joey everyone on PIP will gradually be called for reassessment and they will lose it at this point, hope it gets voted down

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You know what will happen Joey everyone on PIP will gradually be called for reassessment and they will lose it at this point, hope it gets voted down

.... and I think you are right.
I've wanted to make a battle for the most vulnerable, sick and disabled ever since I first got interested in politics.

In 2013, I made the choice of Labour because everything they said re the sick and disabled, I was impressed by.
Really this just needs as a bill to be dropped, then worked on again.
However this mess is despicable as to the most vulnerable and sick and disabled.

For me it now seems there's now NO Party who will look GENUINELY at the sick and disabled.
The only one saying anything that sounds better, are the LibDems.
However I trusted them before, in 2010.
Then they voted for some of the most cruel policies enacted to the sick and disabled by the Conservatives during the coalition, where the LibDems supported those heartless policies and cruel new criteria of re-assessing them.

The Greens are a mess on the issue, no clear answers there.
Reform, the less I say there the better, especially on their attitude to mental health issues.

This Welfare argument is being used in the totally wrong and misleading way.
The welfare budget includes all the state pension funding too.
That takes up way over the lions share of welfare costs.
Yet pensions should not be classed as welfare in my view.
That should be separated from the welfare tag.

However it makes scapegoating the sick and disabled an easy target then I guess.
Of course there's numbers who abuse the system, however they are small numbers.
This bill however from Labour, is one of the biggest and incompetent of worst ways to address any reforming of welfare.
Disgraceful really.

[bots]

these supposed reforms just change the time frame of the cuts, they will still happen. It's the same trick as deferring tax rises for a year or holding tax thresholds. Each one of them, they eventually get the money

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