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IntoxiKated
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RIP Norman
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Get on your Bike
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He was never the same after the Brighton bombing. Very controversial in his time, but a true politician of conviction
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Flag shagger.
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Turned down the chance of being PM to care for his wife who was horrifically injured by IRA terrorists at the Brighton bombing. RIP
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thesheriff443
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A good man , rip
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A grim person. the world is a least a little kinder without him in it.
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He was a vile and hateful man
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The man was a walking hate speech generator.
He called gay adoption “child abuse.” Mocked same-sex marriage like it was a Monty Python sketch: “What if a lesbian Queen had a baby? What if a gay King needed a sperm donor?” Actual quote. He said that. In Parliament. Like it was clever. He opposed equal age of consent because he didn’t think queer people deserved to be treated like everyone else. He didn’t want us to have rights — he wanted us quiet, ashamed, invisible. And don’t think he just had it out for LGBTQ+ people — his views on women were just as grim. He spent decades sneering at feminism, mocking gender equality, and clinging to the idea that a woman’s place was either in the kitchen or as his tragic, silent wife in a wheelchair — who, let’s be honest, got wheeled out more for sympathy than anything else. Meanwhile, he voted for policies that gutted working-class families and pushed countless women into poverty. This wasn’t a kind old grandad with “different views.” This was a man who used power to make life worse for anyone who didn’t meet his standards. So no, I’m not pretending to be sad. He chose cruelty. Over and over. And now he’s gone. Good.
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Remembering Kerry
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Recalling what my own family have said about him and learning of things he supported and spoke publicly on.
He would never have been a politician I'd have admired or supported myself. The Brighton bombing was horrific, it was really commendable of him to pull back his political career to care for his wife after that atrocity. He had a long political career, a very long life. R.I.P. |
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RIP
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SIGH
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Awful man
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People are complex, nothing is ever really black and white. I was actively looking for a job when he came out with his "get on your bike" slogan so i wasn't a fan to say the least. However, he and his wife went through a terrible time at Brighton and that really changed him as a person
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His wife ending up in a wheelchair didn’t give him some deep sense of compassion.
He didn’t get softer. He got worse. He took personal tragedy and used it as a soapbox while still treating gay people, immigrants, and anyone slightly outside his 1950s bubble like garbage. He saw what real suffering looked like and still had zero empathy for anyone else going through it. No growth, no humility , just the same bitter old man, shouting at the world for changing.
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![]() SIR – As a grammar school boy, born and brought up in east London, I was inspired by Norman Tebbit (Obituary, July 8) to join the Conservatives in 1981, when Margaret Thatcher’s government was at its lowest ebb. A few years later, as a branch chairman in the then highly marginal seat of Ilford South, I was overjoyed to meet my hero, who addressed a meeting to much applause and laughter. Thatcher’s decision to appoint him as employment secretary in 1981 proved decisive in the industrial battles of the mid-1980s, in particular the emphatic defeat of Arthur Scargill’s year-long miners’ strike. Higher productivity – resulting from ending restrictive practices, and huge inward investment derived from improved industrial relations – would not have been achieved without Tebbit’s trade union reforms. Today’s Conservatives could learn much from his courage, wisdom and radicalism. Philip Duly Haslemere, Surrey SIR – The death of Norman Tebbit reminds us of the time when our country was run by political giants who, regardless of popularity, stuck to their task of making Britain great again. Margaret Thatcher, with Tebbit’s unwavering support, thought she had seen off socialism for good. Sadly it is back with us. Patriotism is now considered far-Right. However, the memory of the great man gives us hope that, as in the 1980s, Britain can recover from a ruinous Labour government. Tim Coles Carlton, Bedfordshire SIR – I stood against Norman Tebbit as an independent candidate in Chingford in the general election of 1983. I received 34 votes, while he won with a majority of more than 12,000. Still, at the count he came up and spoke to me for several minutes. Over a year later I stayed at the Grand Hotel in Brighton, and as a consequence was interviewed by the police after the bombing. The image of Tebbit being carried out of the ruins is still etched in my memory. I will remember him as I found him: relaxed, courteous and thoroughly charming. Stephen Barklem Woking, Surrey SIR – I had one brief conversation with Norman Tebbit, after Margaret Thatcher’s funeral at St Paul’s. I was with members of the public on the other side of the road from the departing mourners. He was the only one who came over to us. I thanked him for all his support for Mrs Thatcher. He simply replied: “Would that I could have done more.” It captured his authentic “man of the people” approach, his intrinsic loyalty – which, of course, we saw in his care for his wife after the Brighton bomb – and his ability to say so much in just a few words. Paul Rudd Woldingham, Surrey |
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“He spoke to me for several minutes”
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“He didn’t just oppose our rights. He opposed our existence. Every time we tried to move forward, Tebbit was there trying to drag us back.”
— Robbie de Santos, LGBTQ+ advocate “Norman Tebbit made it his mission to make queer people feel like outcasts. He called our families abuse. No apology. No shame.” — Katy Montgomerie, trans activist and writer “The ‘cricket test’ was a slap in the face to every second-generation Brit. It told us we could never be truly British, no matter how long we’d lived here or how much we contributed.” — Dr. Kehinde Andrews, academic and racial justice writer “He dressed racism up in tweed and called it patriotism. But we all knew exactly what he meant.” — Sarfraz Manzoor, journalist “Tebbit’s legacy is one of smashed communities, lost jobs, and people left behind. He had no interest in helping workers, only breaking them.” — Dave Ward, CWU General Secretary “He told people to ‘get on their bike’ while his government ripped the wheels off entire industries. We didn’t forget.” — Former coal miner, South Yorkshire “He fought every step of women’s progress, mocked feminism, and treated social policy like it was a threat to his masculinity. He wasn’t just old-fashioned, he was hostile.” — Caroline Criado Perez, feminist writer “Tebbit saw equality as weakness. He wanted women quiet, dependent, and grateful. We wanted rights, and that made us dangerous to him.” — Trade union activist, 1980s
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thesheriff443
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What ever his views were they have died with him
Slagging someone off that you never knew personally after they have died and going on and on about trying to point score is sad Go enjoy that wonderful life you keep bleating on about |
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I think it's okay to call a spade a spade even after leaving the beach. Last edited by BBXX; 10-07-2025 at 04:30 AM. |
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This Witch doesn't burn
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Whatever their stripes you knew where you stood with politicians like Tebbitt, you might not have agreed or liked their policies but they didn't flip flop around which is sadly lacking in todays crop
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Were Glen and BBXX born when when Tebbit was employment secretary? I very much doubt it. If not, their views are shaped by what others have told them. It's not dissimilar to criticising Thatcher
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That's true tbf.
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