[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm frankly tired of explaining it to you.

You’re not explaining anything because you’re lying about people and can’t back up your ridiculous accusations

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I’m talking about synagogues/jewish residents having bricks thrown through their windows, threatening letters through postbox, women being harassed/assaulted without any justification process after, tires being slashed, weapons being ‘waved’ as a reminder to ‘stay in your place, women being followed/threatend on the regular, hateful graffiti, people just opening talking god awful **** about Jewish people (sometimes Christians too) and a few more things I’ve heard about over the years

And no one blinks an eye lid

People don’t care

Maybe people just aren’t aware, but this has been happening for years and it’s only going to get worse

And all of that is horrific and rightfully needs to be called out and stamped out, to say it’s ignored and nobody cares is just blatantly not true though let’s be real.

But on the other hand, of course the statistics are going up when the organisations conducting the research and compiling complaints are now openly including Palestinian flags and stickers and calling for the end of the genocide in Palestine as incidents of antisemitism and ‘harassment’

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

You’re not explaining anything because you’re lying about people and can’t back up your ridiculous accusations

I resent you calling me a liar. But let's face it, it's not the worst thing I've been called.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

And all of that is horrific and rightfully needs to be called out and stamped out, to say it’s ignored and nobody cares is just blatantly not true though let’s be real.

But on the other hand, of course the statistics are going up when the organisations conducting the research and compiling complaints are now openly including Palestinian flags and stickers and calling for the end of the genocide in Palestine as incidents of antisemitism and ‘harassment’

Some of those marches have included openly anti-Semitic chants flags and banners. But you're never going to see it.

People will be happier when all the Jews have left the UK. Many will go to Israel. And you'll all hate that, won't you.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

I thought you gave a lot of understanding to the people who hate Jews. Heaven forbit an article causes some friction amongst Jew-haters. Jews seem to be the one group in society whom it is acceptable to hate. I never thought it would be acceptable in this country for a Jewish man walking on a London street is turned back for being "openly Jewish" by a police officer. Otr where a member of the public brings to the attention of a police officer the flying of a flag with a swastika and the police office saying, well... the use of a swastika is subjective and letting it go. Everything chips away,

I personally think it's always a good thing to try and understand the logic of any group of people, and try to think how you personally would respond to certain situations if you were to think like them, in this case an Anti-Semitic person.

And then try to think of ways to make these people see sense, i.e genuinely not hating on Jewish people anymore.

I honestly apologise if my posts were coming across like I'm an Anti-Semite sympathizer, because it is the total opposite that I'm aiming for, at least that's my intention.

And I agree with you that Anti-Semitism is far too accepted in this country, because flying a Swastika at an Israel vs. Palestine rally is someone clearly looking to cause trouble, and the Police should do something about those kinds of people imo.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Liam-

And all of that is horrific and rightfully needs to be called out and stamped out, to say it’s ignored and nobody cares is just blatantly not true though let’s be real.

But on the other hand, of course the statistics are going up when the organisations conducting the research and compiling complaints are now openly including Palestinian flags and stickers and calling for the end of the genocide in Palestine as incidents of antisemitism and ‘harassment’

People don’t care though… many people are completely unaware of it happening bc again, the media does not give a **** about it

If this was happening to Muslims, there would be marches, protests, social media would be rampant with rage, demanding change and justice.

But if the perpetrators are Muslim, it’s a free pass. It’s similar to those sex gangs that were happening years back (I’m sure they are still happening, too)

People are afraid to speak out because they fear being ‘cancelled’ or labelled as racist by society and that is not okay.

Every person, no matter their religion/race/culture etc etc should be able to report things without fear of being labelled xyz and it should always be taken 100% seriously from the police/government/whoever is in charge.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

People don’t care though… many people are completely unaware of it happening bc again, the media does not give a **** about it

If this was happening to Muslims, there would be marches, protests, social media would be rampant with rage, demanding change and justice.

But if the perpetrators are Muslim, it’s a free pass. It’s similar to those sex gangs that were happening years back (I’m sure they are still happening, too)

People are afraid to speak out because they fear being ‘cancelled’ or labelled as racist by society and that is not okay.

Every person, no matter their religion/race/culture etc etc should be able to report things without fear of being labelled xyz and it should always be taken 100% seriously from the police/government/whoever is in charge.

All of that is just so blatantly the opposite of true there’s no point even trying to argue against it

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Liam-

All of that is just so blatantly the opposite of true there’s no point even trying to argue against it

I can see why you would think that. A lot of people haven’t experienced it personally so have no idea that it’s an issue. When you travel a lot and work with multicultural families, you see the world a lot differently. I know I’m in the minority and I know that people think that this is all a thinly veiled racism. But the words I say aren’t just from my thoughts, they are experiences of people who I have met over the years. I worked have worked in schools where it’s a 100% Muslim population. I have talked to the teachers who experience horrific abuse on a daily basis (that’s all schools of course,) and I have seen how it’s rampantly ignored. I also worked in a Christian school in Bradford and I’ve seen people hang around the school at dismissal to intimate others. Grown ass men antagonising women in kids. It happens so often and people just don’t know how bad it is.

I don’t blame people for thinking the way they do. The internet has such a choke hold on what is okay to say/think and what not to think. People died at the Ariana Grande concert because people were too afraid to act on their suspicions in fear of being labled racist. I’m not saying that’s why they died… they were murdered in a terrorist attack, but perhaps more people could have been saved if authorities were properly warned about him.

I hate to derail the thread, this is supposed to be about antisemitism being ignored in middle class society. I’m only posting my personal experiences with how I’ve seen things happen.

That’s not to say that Muslim families experience hatred and racism too, we know it happens. Ive seen that happen to and it’s awful. I can honestly say that some of the most amazing people I’ve ever met are Muslim. Most of them a genuinely amazing people. But there are 100% people out there who use their race/religion as a threat against other people. They tell them that the police won’t do anything about it and they are right. I dread to think of how many teenagers (it wasn’t just girls who were gang raped) thought about how they would never be able to escape the cycle of torture and abuse they went through.

I am not good with words, it has never been my strong suit, but I truly believe that people just aren’t aware of how horrific some places are in the UK.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

All of that is just so blatantly the opposite of true there’s no point even trying to argue against it

You are an anti-Semite, in case anyone on here was looking tor a good example.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I can see why you would think that. A lot of people haven’t experienced it personally so have no idea that it’s an issue. When you travel a lot and work with multicultural families, you see the world a lot differently. I know I’m in the minority and I know that people think that this is all a thinly veiled racism. But the words I say aren’t just from my thoughts, they are experiences of people who I have met over the years. I worked have worked in schools where it’s a 100% Muslim population. I have talked to the teachers who experience horrific abuse on a daily basis (that’s all schools of course,) and I have seen how it’s rampantly ignored. I also worked in a Christian school in Bradford and I’ve seen people hang around the school at dismissal to intimate others. Grown ass men antagonising women in kids. It happens so often and people just don’t know how bad it is.

I don’t blame people for thinking the way they do. The internet has such a choke hold on what is okay to say/think and what not to think. People died at the Ariana Grande concert because people were too afraid to act on their suspicions in fear of being labled racist. I’m not saying that’s why they died… they were murdered in a terrorist attack, but perhaps more people could have been saved if authorities were properly warned about him.

I hate to derail the thread, this is supposed to be about antisemitism being ignored in middle class society. I’m only posting my personal experiences with how I’ve seen things happen.

That’s not to say that Muslim families experience hatred and racism too, we know it happens. Ive seen that happen to and it’s awful. I can honestly say that some of the most amazing people I’ve ever met are Muslim. Most of them a genuinely amazing people. But there are 100% people out there who use their race/religion as a threat against other people. They tell them that the police won’t do anything about it and they are right. I dread to think of how many teenagers (it wasn’t just girls who were gang raped) thought about how they would never be able to escape the cycle of torture and abuse they went through.

I am not good with words, it has never been my strong suit, but I truly believe that people just aren’t aware of how horrific some places are in the UK.

Of course there are bad people from all backgrounds and faith, but your conclusion that Muslims get away with everything and are protected by society and treated better than other religions, while Jews aren’t safe to walk the streets and are perpetual victims that nobody cares about just aren’t rooted in reality that you can see in the world on a daily basis, Muslim people in this country are in a constant state of danger from thick racists that just want to hurt them because of how they look or where they’ve come from, because other people who look like them have done bad things, Islamophobia is an accepted form of racism in the uk and America, by the media, by public figures and by the public, that’s just a fact, meanwhile you can’t even have an honest conversation about Israel and Zionism without being silenced by the media, fired from your job or being accused of antisemitism, the Israeli lobbies pay to have major influence over western media and politics so that they can push their propaganda at will and people lap it up, less and less every day thankfully, but that’s the case

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Livia

You are an anti-Semite, in case anyone on here was looking tor a good example.

Thank you for proving my point yet again, you’re very reliable in that sense yknow

[Maru]

Why Grok Fell in Love With Hitler
https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...er-ai-00447055

The internet certainly did notice a difference Tuesday, when Grok posted antisemitic comments, associated Jewish-sounding surnames with “anti-white hate” and wrote that Adolf Hitler would “spot the pattern” and “handle it decisively, every damn time.” For good measure, it also called itself “MechaHitler.” Following the controversy, Musk posted that the AI had been “too compliant to user prompts.”

“I don’t think we want a world where a few oligarchs can influence our beliefs very heavily, including in subtle ways by shaping what their social media sites do,” he said.

No s***.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I can see why you would think that. A lot of people haven’t experienced it personally so have no idea that it’s an issue. When you travel a lot and work with multicultural families, you see the world a lot differently. I know I’m in the minority and I know that people think that this is all a thinly veiled racism. But the words I say aren’t just from my thoughts, they are experiences of people who I have met over the years. I worked have worked in schools where it’s a 100% Muslim population. I have talked to the teachers who experience horrific abuse on a daily basis (that’s all schools of course,) and I have seen how it’s rampantly ignored. I also worked in a Christian school in Bradford and I’ve seen people hang around the school at dismissal to intimate others. Grown ass men antagonising women in kids. It happens so often and people just don’t know how bad it is.

I don’t blame people for thinking the way they do. The internet has such a choke hold on what is okay to say/think and what not to think. People died at the Ariana Grande concert because people were too afraid to act on their suspicions in fear of being labled racist. I’m not saying that’s why they died… they were murdered in a terrorist attack, but perhaps more people could have been saved if authorities were properly warned about him.

I hate to derail the thread, this is supposed to be about antisemitism being ignored in middle class society. I’m only posting my personal experiences with how I’ve seen things happen.

That’s not to say that Muslim families experience hatred and racism too, we know it happens. Ive seen that happen to and it’s awful. I can honestly say that some of the most amazing people I’ve ever met are Muslim. Most of them a genuinely amazing people. But there are 100% people out there who use their race/religion as a threat against other people. They tell them that the police won’t do anything about it and they are right. I dread to think of how many teenagers (it wasn’t just girls who were gang raped) thought about how they would never be able to escape the cycle of torture and abuse they went through.

I am not good with words, it has never been my strong suit, but I truly believe that people just aren’t aware of how horrific some places are in the UK.

I think this was really well-written. You should write novels more often, Nina...

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I can see why you would think that. A lot of people haven’t experienced it personally so have no idea that it’s an issue. When you travel a lot and work with multicultural families, you see the world a lot differently. I know I’m in the minority and I know that people think that this is all a thinly veiled racism. But the words I say aren’t just from my thoughts, they are experiences of people who I have met over the years. I worked have worked in schools where it’s a 100% Muslim population. I have talked to the teachers who experience horrific abuse on a daily basis (that’s all schools of course,) and I have seen how it’s rampantly ignored. I also worked in a Christian school in Bradford and I’ve seen people hang around the school at dismissal to intimate others. Grown ass men antagonising women in kids. It happens so often and people just don’t know how bad it is.

I don’t blame people for thinking the way they do. The internet has such a choke hold on what is okay to say/think and what not to think. People died at the Ariana Grande concert because people were too afraid to act on their suspicions in fear of being labled racist. I’m not saying that’s why they died… they were murdered in a terrorist attack, but perhaps more people could have been saved if authorities were properly warned about him.

I hate to derail the thread, this is supposed to be about antisemitism being ignored in middle class society. I’m only posting my personal experiences with how I’ve seen things happen.

That’s not to say that Muslim families experience hatred and racism too, we know it happens. Ive seen that happen to and it’s awful. I can honestly say that some of the most amazing people I’ve ever met are Muslim. Most of them a genuinely amazing people. But there are 100% people out there who use their race/religion as a threat against other people. They tell them that the police won’t do anything about it and they are right. I dread to think of how many teenagers (it wasn’t just girls who were gang raped) thought about how they would never be able to escape the cycle of torture and abuse they went through.

I am not good with words, it has never been my strong suit, but I truly believe that people just aren’t aware of how horrific some places are in the UK.

Welcome to the club.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Maru

Why Grok Fell in Love With Hitler
https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...er-ai-00447055





No s***.

Mecha Hitler?

I know that I shouldn't laugh, but it's just so ridiculous.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Mecha Hitler?

I know that I shouldn't laugh, but it's just so ridiculous.

Jokes about Jews (including extermination jokes) have been a past time of internet humor since the mid 90s. I never understood what they were even making fun of but had a Jewish BFF at one point who had become a favorite target of a group of Christian girls. Including trying to convert her. I never got the impression one could complain about it as a Jew because it would just lead to more cruel ribbing.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Maru

Jokes about Jews (including extermination jokes) have been a past time of internet humor since the mid 90s. I never understood what they were even making fun of but had a Jewish BFF at one point who had become a favorite target of a group of Christian girls. Including trying to convert her. I never got the impression one could complain about it as a Jew because it would just lead to more cruel ribbing.

I have never understood why some people think that it's okay to bully Jewish people tbh.

And tbf I remember Islamophobia was a big thing at my Primary School.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I have never understood why some people think that it's okay to bully Jewish people tbh.

And tbf I remember Islamophobia was a big thing at my Primary School.

I have never understood WHY people don’t like jewish folk in the first place


Its all a complete mystery


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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I have never understood WHY people don’t like jewish folk in the first place


Its all a complete mystery


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Nowadays it seems like all Jewish people are being associated with Israel.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Nowadays it seems like all Jewish people are being associated with Israel.

Yeah but this as been going on what seems like forever


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[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Nowadays it seems like all Jewish people are being associated with Israel.

False

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Nowadays it seems like all Jewish people are being associated with Israel.

It's probably difficult (as a Jew) to not take personally a lot of what is happening there and being said... so I see some of that being due to Jewish people/individuals who are also speaking up on their own behalf politically, perhaps even defend their own right to exist. It's all very complicated.

[Maru]

(July 14th) Sesame Workshop regains control of Elmo’s hacked X account after racist posts
https://apnews.com/article/elmo-hack...82148abfc6c6b9

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I have never understood WHY people don’t like jewish folk in the first place


Its all a complete mystery


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Jealousy.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Beso

Jealousy.

Absolutely. Envy is a huge motivator for people to target others and it's not talked about very much. That isn't just an issue with how some treat Jews. Acting out based on jealousy or envy is encouraged in our culture with all the talk of certain groups having it better than others. People are generally more willing to overlook certain abuse if they perceive the person being targeted somehow has more advantage than them, even if that individual clearly has had a hard time in life. I've seen that with treatment of people in my own family with crippling disabilities. They were white they were perceived to be somehow more well off and so what's a little bit of mistreatment... they've survived everything else fine, right?