[BBXX]

The United Kingdom's leading human rights agency is set to issue guidance banning transgender people from single-sex facilities — in some cases, even those that match their sex assigned at birth.

The Equality and Human Rights Commission is expected to submit the guidance this month, according to The Times, in supposed compliance with the nation's recent Supreme Court ruling. The policy will impact trans people's access to bathrooms or changing rooms in organizations that provide public services, including schools, hospital wards, sports clubs, domestic violence shelters, prisons, charities, and some shops.

The draft also said that a trans person could be banned from spaces that do match their biological sex, claiming, "a legitimate aim for excluding a trans person from a separate or single-sex service for their own biological sex might be to prevent alarm or distress for other service users."

“A trans man might be excluded from the women-only service if the service provider decides that, because he presents as a man, other service users could reasonably object to his presence, and it is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim to exclude him," the guidance states.

https://www.advocate.com/world/unite...r-bathroom-ban

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So "biological sex matters" until it doesn't anymore. If trans men are banned from both male spaces, for being born female, and female spaces, for looking too much like a man, where are they supposed to go?

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

The Advocate is the world’s leading source of LGBTQ+ news and information. Capturing
the political and cultural conversations of the community through award-winning
journalism, compelling photography and video, and vital commentary, The Advocate is the
queer paper of record.

What is your point?

It's repeating what is laid out here:

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/...ges-chapter-13

[Mystic Mock]

Isn't that abusing their basic Human rights?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Example

13.5.11 A hospital provides an Obstetrics and Gynaecology outpatient service. Only women and trans men need to use the service. The hospital provides the service to women and trans men in a way which preserves all users’ privacy and dignity.

The hospital can refuse to allow a man or a trans woman to access the service because it does not offer any treatment which is suitable. This means that it would be impracticable to treat a man or a trans woman. It could also be impracticable to do so if it would impact on the privacy and dignity of the women and trans men who use the service.

The hospital can also refuse to adjust the way in which it provides the service.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Example

13.5.12 A trans man attends a gym frequently and uses the women’s changing room, consistent with his biological sex. If the gym owner decides that he can no longer use the women’s changing room and there is no other changing room he can use this may be a disproportionate decision. If it is disproportionate, the gym owner will not be able to rely on the exception for gender reassignment discrimination (Sch 3 paragraph 28). The trans man will be able to bring a complaint of direct gender reassignment discrimination, because he has been treated less favourably than a woman who does not have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Example

13.4.3 A council swimming pool has separate men’s and women’s changing rooms. One of the aims of having separate-sex changing rooms is to safeguard women’s ability to access the facilities and use them safely. A woman is allowed to take her male child under the age of ten into the women’s changing room. This does not undermine the aim, because it is unlikely that young boys pose a threat to women’s safety. It also contributes towards achieving the aim, because fewer women would be able to use the swimming pool if they could not bring their children with them.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Example

13.5.12 A trans man attends a gym frequently and uses the women’s changing room, consistent with his biological sex. If the gym owner decides that he can no longer use the women’s changing room and there is no other changing room he can use this may be a disproportionate decision. If it is disproportionate, the gym owner will not be able to rely on the exception for gender reassignment discrimination (Sch 3 paragraph 28). The trans man will be able to bring a complaint of direct gender reassignment discrimination, because he has been treated less favourably than a woman who does not have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment.

I've said it before but the divisions would most practically be "cis women" and "everyone else".

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

The Advocate is the world’s leading source of LGBTQ+ news and information. Capturing
the political and cultural conversations of the community through award-winning
journalism, compelling photography and video, and vital commentary, The Advocate is the
queer paper of record.

Pointing that out is no better than when people dismiss something because it's the Mail or Sun.

[Beso]

Why are gay people so aligned with the trans movement, considering trans are basically trying to wipe out gay people.

We've seen the uproar about puberty blockers etc, and how they always say a child knows what sex they feel they are from a young age and they should have the right to change sex. All those young male kids playing with dolls in the past would grow up happily and live a fruitful life as the gay man they become in adulthood. Now they are groomed into thinking they must be a little girl and need to transition. Slowly but surely wiping out the gay adult males in years to come.

And also, a child knows what they are at a young age and have the right to chose what sex they want to be, that also means a child can say mummy, I want to be a woman and I have the right at this young age to pursue that via medical intervention. Well if that child gas the right to do that then a child should also have the right to say, "mummy, I want to have sex with that 25 year old man" where does the trans movement stand on that?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Beso

Why are gay people so aligned with the trans movement, considering trans are basically trying to wipe out gay people.

etc

I think it's because transwomen used to get lumped in with gay men, because they're both different types gender nonconforming males, to different extents.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

Why are gay people so aligned with the trans movement, considering trans are basically trying to wipe out gay people.

We've seen the uproar about puberty blockers etc, and how they always say a child knows what sex they feel they are from a young age and they should have the right to change sex. All those young male kids playing with dolls in the past would grow up happily and live a fruitful life as the gay man they become in adulthood. Now they are groomed into thinking they must be a little girl and need to transition. Slowly but surely wiping out the gay adult males in years to come.

I do agree that there needs to be, when it comes to kids, a completely different type of conversation because I agree (and have said on here before) that effeminate boys may be at risk of being labelled girls instead of what they are, which is gay.

I also take issue with those who say it's transphobic to limit your sexuality to a reproductive organ or not want to date a trans person.

However, the majority of trans people are do NOT think like this. There are extremists and toxic people in all demographics and to not support the wider group because of a few extremists is a poor choice, IMO.

Many gay people support trans people because trans people were there are the start of the fight back against society. Being gay and being trans are very different things but many of the threats against them are the same.

Also, from a selfish POV I think gay people also recognise if we sat by and let the rights of trans people get taken away, we are next in line.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I do agree that there needs to be, when it comes to kids, a completely different type of conversation because I agree (and have said on here before) that effeminate boys may be at risk of being labelled girls instead of what they are, which is gay.

I also take issue with those who say it's transphobic to limit your sexuality to a reproductive organ or not want to date a trans person.

However, the majority of trans people are do NOT think like this. There are extremists and toxic people in all demographics and to not support the wider group because of a few extremists is a poor choice, IMO.

Many gay people support trans people because trans people were there are the start of the fight back against society. Being gay and being trans are very different things but many of the threats against them are the same.

Also, from a selfish POV I think gay people also recognise if we sat by and let the rights of trans people get taken away, we are next in line.

Women were your allies as well never forget...oh wait you have forgotten

https://www.advocate.com/activism/lg...en#toggle-gdpr

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Isn't that abusing their basic Human rights?

Could be,
but PM Starmer
wants to stay in power.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I've said it before but the divisions would most practically be "cis women" and "everyone else".

Same as with sport

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Women were your allies as well never forget...oh wait you have forgotten

https://www.advocate.com/activism/lg...en#toggle-gdpr

I will always advocate for women - always have, always do and always will. We just have two different routes to that advocation.

[arista]

[Teachers do not have the right to insist on being
called Mx rather than Mr or Mrs,
Bridget Phillipson MP has said. The Labour
Education Secretary stood by her position
that school staff can ask to be referred
to by the gender-neutral title.]

17 mins ago




BBXX is it ok to add this to your thread

[Crimson Dynamo]

Helen Joyce @HJoyceGender
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Let this be a warning to all journalists and outlets that defame gender critical women

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Women were your allies as well never forget...oh wait you have forgotten

https://www.advocate.com/activism/lg...en#toggle-gdpr

Honestly, the whole ally-ship thing sounds toxic. They can keep it.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by arista

Could be,
but PM Starmer
wants to stay in power.

He pissed that away a long time ago.