[arista]

BBC News Text:
[Sales of the "King Kong" of weight loss treatments
have been halted ahead of a 170% price rise,
reports the Daily Telegraph.
Drugmaker Eli Lilly has temporarily paused orders
of the Mounjaro jab to cope with soaring demand,
which means pharmacies won't be able
to buy more at the current lower price tag.
A planned price surge next week indicates
the drug will cost between
£133 and £330 per jab in the UK.]


It was debated on LBC yesterday afternoon.

[arista]

BBC News Text :
[A map of the UK with a measuring tape around its
middle takes up the front page of the Observer
which reports on "Britain's blackmarket in weight loss drugs"
under the headline "The waist land".]

[arista]

[Oliver_W]

Aren't those "weight loss jabs" actually diabetes treatment? People hogging the supplies for their own vanity is of course going to affect the price for those who need it.

[Vanessa]

No thanks. I'd rather be fat

[Vicky.]

Tried these, lost 2 pounds in 2 months so seemed ridiculous to continue for the price

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Tried these, lost 2 pounds in 2 months so seemed ridiculous to continue for the price

At least it worked


But now Prices are way too high.


Some on the NHS are still waiting to receive
stock.
Reports have said

[Ammi]

…I’ll just post a link because it’s a very long…(…and difficult read…)…article, but I’ll leave it here for anyone who may want to read…Nikki Grahame’s mom speaking out about what she feels are the enabling dangers of ‘fat jabs’ for anorexics…


https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/36...y-jab-warning/

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I’ll just post a link because it’s a very long…(…and difficult read…)…article, but I’ll leave it here for anyone who may want to read…Nikki Grahame’s mom speaking out about what she feels are the enabling dangers of ‘fat jabs’ for anorexics…


https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/36...y-jab-warning/

Yes an unwanted
byproduct of this drug
as they are the last folks that would
need this drug.

As you can buy it from other nations
Online.


I would assume
Some anorexics are buying this drug online, sadly.

[Cherie]

They should be restricted for those with diabetes and severe obesity, and should not be available online at all, I know so many people taking these drugs its literally insane

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

They should be restricted for those with diabetes and severe obesity, and should not be available online at all, I know so many people taking these drugs its literally insane

The UK cannot stop Worldwide sales


You can even buy from Russia
as they are Commercial Sellers

[Livia]

I am lucky, I’ve never struggled with my weight. But I have friends who have and have seen the question of weight from both sides. One of my friends from school suffered with Anorexia. She almost died. She was sectioned, force fed… she was skin and bone but still believed she needed to lose weight. Her family did everything they could for her and happily, she is now better. I won’t say cured, she will never be cured, she has a toxic relationship with food even now and spends a lot of time thinking about it. Her condition left her unable to have children. It will always be a spectre on her shoulder.

I have another friend who I’ve also known since school, who has always struggled with her weight. It’s been up and down depending on what’s going on in her life and when things were bad, she’d comfort eat. She also had a very toxic relationship with food but she got zero sympathy and people would call her names to her face, it seems it’s one of the last bastions of hate that is supported. I think that’s the difference between Anorexics and people who are obese. People say things about Anorexics like, aww she’s so thin she looks like a little pixie… While people who are obese are classified as fat, lazy and greedy by people who don’t have the first idea what they’re talking about. The criticism and name-calling of people who are overweight is quite disgusting and based, I think, on a deep ignorance.

My friend who was overweight has lost five stone since January on Mounjaro. It’s changed her life. She no longer thinks about food all the time and because her appetite is reduced, she is able to make really healthy choices about what she does eat. Her whole family has benefitted. The main thing is that she’s happy now. She’s confident and feels good about herself. She has a bit of weight left to lose and she is already reducing the dose she takes every month so that she’s ready to live without it.

Obesity is a mental thing in most cases, I think. I’m sad that people can be so scathing about it and about people who are striving to overcome it. If medication helps, and it does seem to help a lot of people, I see no reason why people should be against it, especially if they really don’t really have a handle on the problem.

It’s scandalous that Eli Lilley has raised the price of Mounjaro by 170% but I guess it’s a huge boost for Wegovy. In my opinion, weight loss medication should be available on the NHS for people who are obese. Obviously not for people who don't need to lose weight or who only have a little to lose. The long-term savings to the NHS would be huge and, in my opinion, more sensible and cos-effective that cutting healthy genitals off people.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Cherie

They should be restricted for those with diabetes and severe obesity, and should not be available online at all, I know so many people taking these drugs its literally insane

They should be...however you can be severely obese but unless you meet the criteria with other conditions like Diabetes then you do not qualify. Imo if you are dangerously obese I think you should get them.
BUT like anything else the quick fix has to stop at some point and then the weight just piles back on...
Life style change is the only remedy.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

They should be...however you can be severely obese but unless you meet the criteria with other conditions like Diabetes then you do not qualify. Imo if you are dangerously obese I think you should get them.
BUT like anything else the quick fix has to stop at some point and then the weight just piles back on...
Life style change is the only remedy.

I absolutely agree that a life-style change is imperative. Of course, if you're feeling better about yourself and about the future, lifestyle changes are easier to make than if you're severely obese, can't afford to buy the jabs and the NHS would rather treat you for heart disease and strokes than give you any kind of help to lose weight.

The NHS hands out anti-depressants like smarties. I am more worried about that than about them prescribing obesity drugs for those who need them.

[rusticgal]

I do believe though that the criteria should change...to allow severely obese people to have the option for this drug. At a certain age its hard to shift and health issues as a result can be restricting for a person to exercise to the extent needed to shift weight.
A GP should recognise genuine situations where this would benefit a seriously overweight person....regardless of whether they have other issues to meet the criteria.
Having said all that as Oliver said this is really a drug for Diabetes so they should be the priority.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I do believe though that the criteria should change...to allow severely obese people to have the option for this drug. At a certain age its hard to shift and health issues as a result can be restricting for a person to exercise to the extent needed to shift weight.
A GP should recognise genuine situations where this would benefit a seriously overweight person....regardless of whether they have other issues to meet the criteria.
Having said all that as Oliver said this is really a drug for Diabetes so they should be the priority.

I agree. Although, my local GP practice has 9 doctors, some of whom are part-time, and 25,000 patients and rising. It's no wonder people turn to self help.