[Gardencroft]

Did Sandy actually wish Sophie happy birthday?? He just stood in the garden!! If it was sandies birthday I suppose all the others would make the effort.
But that's the point he makes no effort to get to know anyone - its "all on my terms etc" more like a fat twit right up his own backside. Well actually Adele is right up there at the moment - on & on she drones about "relationships" this from a bisexual virgin whose not really sure - It's like Relate being staffed by 12yr olds!!

GET EM OUT!! ( Before I go down and drag them out)

[blinkinlovely]

Sandy is too marginalised 4 his own good. Surely e is ooder than 43/??the stuff he talks abut is nothing that I can relate too ... but ok with someone who was a teenager in the '60's .
I reckon he's 50


As for adele, she'll say anything to stay in the house

[Janette]

I did feel sorry for Sophie on her birthday, and it was sad to see Sandy standing outside on his own while the others were singing happy birthday to her!

But as I've said before, maybe Sandy feels that his own company is more stimulating than theirs! Don't blame him really!

[disco]

Originally posted by Gardencroftwhose not really sure

Not really sure about what?

[herindoors]

I do agree Sandy does look older than 43. considering he keeps telling everybody about his army days he does'nt seem to make much effort to be a team player .He keeps telling BB that he came in for some thing different to winning he may has well have sat at home in his own garden or would his wife nag him to do more gardening if he did all that sitting at home.

[Gardencroft]

Sorry disco I meant that she's not really sure at all about herself & relationships - she said that although she is Bi - she would settle permantly in a marriage - then she said she was a vigin and didn't want people "doing" things to her.
She does sound so mixed up and insecure

[sidrat]

I have asked this before, but HOW can you have a sexuality preference when you've not had sex???

Perplexed
Sidrat

[disco]

I think Adele has set out clearly her sexuality. She is attracted to both men and women, with a slight leaning towards men. There is nothing complicated about this.

Her virginity does not come into it. The general tone of this discussion seems to be that she is only with her girlfriend because she hasn't found the right man yet. This is extremely narrow minded.

Sexuality could be thought of as a slide rule... straight at one end and gay at the other. No-one is at the very end at either side... how we define our own sexuality depends on where we feel most comfortable. Most people feel most comfortable identifying themselves as 'straight' and live their lives as such.

I don't consider myself bisexual by any means, but given the almost infinite possibilities in the future, who is to say how I might feel with someone or what might happen?

Your sexual identity is usually concreted during your early teenage years... it's not a case of trying men and women then deciding.

[Gardencroft]

I don't consider myself bisexual by any means, but given the almost infinite possibilities in the future, who is to say how I might feel with someone or what might happen. Your sexual identity is usually concreted during your early teenage years... it's not a case of trying men and women then deciding.
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Surely one contradicts the other. Any how the point I make is that the all mixed up Adele is possibly the least able of any of them in there to advise anyone on relationships as she has never had any.
She comes across as naeive an not a little immature.

Ps I'm not sure about the "I love Spencer " website opening in a pop up window - very off putting

[disco]

The is no contradiction. How you identify yourself is completely different thing to what actually happens.

Adele HAS had relationships, it just happens they haven't been sexual. Sex is just one part of a relationship, as all the Helen and Paul fans on here will tell you. Perhaps the objectivity she has places her in a better position to give advice than any of the others.

Thanks for the feedback on the site. The pop-up window gives far more flexibility in the design of the site, especially when using the layer, DHTML, cascading style sheet and javascript technology being used. As it's a bit of a side project, I'm using it as a place to experiment a little, so it may well change in the future.

[Gardencroft]

Perhaps the objectivity she has places her in a better position to give advice than any of the others.

Errr no I don't think so - I've seen this before - when she DOES begin a full relationship she will become a different person believe me , a lot of ideas she has at the moment are due basically to her immaturity. Believe me I've seen this happen she will be a different person - it's just that most people work out their sexuality at a much younger age.

PS The site is very technically advanced but give me plain flat Frontpage 98 anyday. By the way I remember sending you a ( for me ) rather simpery e mail asking for a link to my world established ,Google registered 3 yr old original unofficial BB website . So how about it?? old meets new??

[Honey]

I think I understand Adele a little from listening to her conversation with Katie and Jonny the other night. She very clearly said that having grown up with a Father that was perisitantly cheating on her Mother has made her distrust all men. She thinks all men are the same as her Father ie cannot keep faithful, so she doesn't want what happened to her Mum to happen to her....all well and good but this does not make someone gay. She does find men attractive, but as she said she will be with someone because she likes them whether it is a man or a woman....so therefore she is I suppose technically bisexual. As for having a sexual relationship with anyone, well she is a virgin and has made it quite clear she doesn't like anyone touching her intimately...but by the way in which she said this I got the impression that this doesn't mean she hasn't been the giver. My overall thoughts as to why she feels she is having to reveal all this, is because she is afraid of what stories will be written about her in the papers, and by saying all this out loud, especially about being a virgin, she thinks will dispell any 'kiss and tell' stories someome might make up about her. I do also get the feeling that the situation with Lee was part of the same ploy. If she is seen to be attracted to a man, and is flirting and encouraging him to think he has a chance with her this will also steer people in the direction she wants of thinking of her as a straight woman and not as she seems to be scared of as 'a lesbian'.
Just because a person hasn't had sex doesn't mean they don't know their own sexual preference..that just doesn't make any sense. I have a gay friend who knew he was gay at the age of eleven. As you said Disco, you don't chose to be gay it is who you are full stop.

By getting involved with Lee, I think Adele was also trying in a very sly way to be in the same position as Helen was with Paul last year.
Another thing that Adele said that made me think she was trying to prove to everyone that she wasn't gay, was the comment she made that when she sees a man she finds attractive in the street she will think ' He's fit!' but when she sees an attractive woman she will just say she's pretty! I don't know why she wasn't honest from the beginning beacuse the more she reveals to each person she tells in the house and ultimately the viewer and just the way she does it just makes me feel she is trying to endear herself in some screwed up way and it is doing just the opposite...she really isn't doing herself any favours is she?
Is Adele worried that if people knew she was gay or bi that somehow it would prevent her from having a chance at winning Big Brother or what...well that's total rubbish for a start isn't it...Anna was great and was liked by alot of people and I think she should have won BB1, and look how well Brian was thought of and went on to win BB2? It isn't clear what exactly Adele is doing, but she seems to be playing a very sly game all round. What I have read about the way people feel about her isn't favourable, everyone can see what she is doing with all the sucking up to all the other housemates as well as being a total wuss whenever anyone breaks the rules in the house, including herself. If she comes up for eviction she will be straight out of the door, I am sure!

[disco]

Originally posted by GardencroftErrr no I don't think so - I've seen this before - when she DOES begin a full relationship she will become a different person believe me , a lot of ideas she has at the moment are due basically to her immaturity. Believe me I've seen this happen she will be a different person - it's just that most people work out their sexuality at a much younger age.

PS The site is very technically advanced but give me plain flat Frontpage 98 anyday. By the way I remember sending you a ( for me ) rather simpery e mail asking for a link to my world established ,Google registered 3 yr old original unofficial BB website . So how about it?? old meets new??

You're showing a very narrow minded view of sexuality and your continual assertion that Adele is confused is incredibly ignorant of her situation. Love/relationships and sex are two completely seperate issues - I'd much rather confide in Adele about a relationship than someone who indulges in one-night sexual encounters like PJ.

Adele is in a steady long-term relationship and seems comfortable with her sexuality. That she refused the advances of Lecherus Lee because both had girlfriends shows maturity, not someone who does not understand relationships.

As for the link request, did you email it or submit it via the links directory? I set the directory up to handle link requests seperately so I tend to ignore email requests. Try http://www.reality-tv.net/links, although you may wish to note my views with regard to the tabloidisation of the show before doing so.

[Gardencroft]

You're showing a very narrow minded view of sexuality and your continual assertion that Adele is confused is incredibly ignorant of her situation. Love/relationships and sex are two completely seperate issues - I'd much rather confide in Adele about a relationship than someone who indulges in one-night sexual encounters like PJ.

I am sorry if I gave you the impression that I am narrow minded but I stand by my assertion that she is basically immature - Bisexual yes but still immature.I do have a small amount of experience dealing in these matters having worked in the Health service and in social services ( additionally my wife is a Community Midwife/ Health visitor). Do not assume please that I condemn her in fact I feel a little sorry for her as she sounds like she may never find the happiness that she would appear to crave.This is a sad fact with many ( though by no means all) Gay & Bi young people that they find relationships extremely hard at first possibly due to society pressures, harder than hetro young people though that is hard enough.As for Lee I think she did enough herself - its ok to say lechy lee but she did a lot of running then went on to say it was OK for him to like Sophie ( as though she needed to hear this from herself). Sadly the kind of man Lee was is all too common and even sadder is that girls like Adele fall for it every time - look at Carmen who thinks that Lee should get her name tattooed on him!!As for PJ & Jade this is normal behaviour in sections of society - Jade has little or no respect for herself or how others percieve her. She obviously confuses Sex & Love the two are linked but not in the way Jade sees it - I take it you have seen Hardcore pictures - these aren't nudes taken by a Boyfriend in a silly moment these are considered to be Hardcore by what she is doing with herself. She is a very mixed up girl & one I feel who is in great danger of getting mixed up in very seedy things . In many ways she is the 180 degree opposite to Adele in the sexuality/Love equation.

Geez Louise that lot has given me cramp!
As for the links I can't remember if I emaile d or used the link but either way it doesn't really matter who links to whom. I've popped your link up along with a lot of others .some are very good some are crap but who cares gardencroft has covered BB1 & 2 in the same way it costs nothing and is a bit of fun.Most of my hits come from search engines with lots from overseas strangely enough.The BB run of 10 weeks isn't really long enough to get a decent Google rating.The other things on my site (VW's - Pregnancy FAQ, & Castaway 2000) keep the hits up on the search engines during the rest of the year.
If anyone else wants a link on my site throw it up here & I'll pop it on !!

Cheers Garden