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[bots]

Why would Andrew go and testify in the USA, it makes zero legal sense and starmer knows it

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[Maru]

Originally Posted by MTVN

What is going on there, is she unconscious or is it supposed to be some sort of role play

Epstein does seem to take particular joy in entrapping famous people with photos and heavy documentation (see: recent emails allegedly exposing Bill Gates). These photos of Andrew are seemingly innocuous and they look suspect as hell, but we just don't know.

My takeaway is that we're (the public) seen to be easily played and everyone high up clearly sees us as convenient mules to suit an agenda.

The only thing I care about with Epstein is if children are involved. They want me to care about the "who". They badly want me to give a **** about the "who". I just can't.

Let me know when there's enough evidence to actually throw charges at anyone and lock them up. Then I might care.

[thesheriff443]

What is fact is that he stayed friends with a man who was convicted of having sex with a 14 year old girl

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by bots

Why would Andrew go and testify in the USA, it makes zero legal sense and starmer knows it

It’s pure deflection

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

We now have a lot of pictures with no context. These images have been released purely for salacious judgement by media as they do not constitute evidence if anything. Why are people so engaged with pictures of Andrew and quite dismissive of pictures of Mandelson? It's all a nonsense based on hearsay, unsubstantiated claims and gossip.

Well said Livia,its like some are getting off on it,personally I would always be cautious of tabloid fodder they lie ,they sensationalise, and with the dawn of AI who can believe anything thats in the press,if people have done wrong,fair enough,but really lets have some concrete proof first, rumour has it MJ was about to spill,then zap,he was dead,funny that, but who knows the truth, no one really knows as yet.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well said Livia,its like some are getting off on it,personally I would always be cautious of tabloid fodder they lie ,they sensationalise, and with the dawn of AI who can believe anything thats in the press,if people have done wrong,fair enough,but really lets have some concrete proof first, rumour has it MJ was about to spill,then zap,he was dead,funny that, but who knows the truth, no one really knows as yet.

Michael Jackson, like Andrew, paid people eye-watering amounts of money not to go to the press, then those people kept the money and went to the press anyway. I can understand why someone in the public eye would pay. Just look at this thread and how many people believe there is no smoke without fire. There is no evidence just salacious gossip and unsubstantiated claims. I have no doubt Epstein wasn't a nice man and was probably a paedo. All I've seen other than that is photographs that prove precisely nothing. The Russian woman allegedly offered to Andrew was in her.mid-twenties. If it happened, I'd say she was old enough to choose whether she would have sex for money or gifts, which is why these women do it. I do not support underage girls being trafficked for sex but I haven't seen any evidence that Andrew was involved in that.

[bots]

I am somewhat concerned at Starmer. As a lawyer, he knows that Andrew testifying in the USA is not something that any lawyer looking after their client would recommend. So why is he recommending it? Has he agreed with Trump to throw him under the bus? Why isn't he recommending the same for Mandelson?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bots

I am somewhat concerned at Starmer. As a lawyer, he knows that Andrew testifying in the USA is not something that any lawyer looking after their client would recommend. So why is he recommending it? Has he agreed with Trump to throw him under the bus? Why isn't he recommending the same for Mandelson?

Mandelson is a Labour peer. I think the answer lies there somewhere.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well said Livia,its like some are getting off on it,personally I would always be cautious of tabloid fodder they lie ,they sensationalise, and with the dawn of AI who can believe anything thats in the press,if people have done wrong,fair enough,but really lets have some concrete proof first, rumour has it MJ was about to spill,then zap,he was dead,funny that, but who knows the truth, no one really knows as yet.

He stayed friends and in contact with a convicted paedo
Decent enough people don’t have anything to do with paedo’s

His own family knows the truth that’s why he has been stripped of everything

[Maru]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

He stayed friends and in contact with a convicted paedo
Decent enough people don’t have anything to do with paedo’s

His own family knows the truth that’s why he has been stripped of everything

I wouldn't be friends with any of these people. Have never understood the obsession with the rich. So many of them are unable to utilize even basic common sense at times and yet we're meant to look up to them. It's just as easy to believe most all are complete idiots who are easily lured by whatever shiny object makes them more fake friends which is probably how Epstein became so widely involved with so many people. I don't think in every single case all were involved in pedophilia.

But if that is mostly what comes out of it, then God help us all.

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