[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

That’s different from the certificate. And also not as complicated.

Certain countries (like USA, NZ, Australia, EU countries) just need an ESTA to visit (same as we need to visit them). Everyone else needs a standard visa.

The exception being if you are a dual citizen with the UK visiting the UK. You either need a valid British passport or the certificate.

Like my friends in NZ. They are British but hold dual nationality with NZ and travel on NZ passports. But they now can’t come here on their NZ passports with an ESTA, as they’re British. They either need a British passport or a certificate. Basically, it’s a way for the UK to make more money on those who chose to live away from the UK.

They can get a British passport for getting in the UK,

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

They can get a British passport for getting in the UK,

I know. I said that.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

My friends back in NZ just had to spend loads on getting UK passports for them and their kids due to this (they are brits but the kids were born in NZ and they all had NZ passports only).

Isn't there the duel citizenship people can have? , didn't crab eyes from BB 11 UK have that
( John James ) ....he was Australian ,but had British citizenship due to his parents I think.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Isn't there the duel citizenship people can have? , didn't crab eyes from BB 11 UK have that
( John James ) ....he was Australian ,but had British citizenship due to his parents I think.

Yeah, but with the new changes, they must now have a British passport or the certificate when visiting here.

Beforehand they could come over on the other country’s passport (without the need for a British one).

An example here is;

* An Australian citizen living in Australia (no dual UK nationality) visiting the UK with an Australian passport needs an ESTA (same thing we need to visit there) - it’s an electronic visa which is around £16.

* An Australian with dual UK citizenship (but no British passport) was able to travel on an Australian passport with an ESTA. Now they’ll need to either get a British passport or get the certificate (the passport is cheaper) to enter the UK.

* It’s gets messier if a UK national say gave up their citizenship for another country (like in China where dual citizenship is not allowed). I believe then this wouldn’t apply to them and they’d need a normal visa (as they won’t have or be able to get a British passport unless they give up citizenship of China).

The main confusion regarding the certificate is who would actually need it (as none of the above would - I could be wrong with the China example case though, and they’d may be the ones who would need it, if dual citizenship is not allowed, meaning they can’t get a British passport).

It’s cheaper for British nationals who live outside of the UK to get a British passport. But this whole thing is to make more money from dual citizens, as it’s them who it affects.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Yeah, but with the new changes, they must now have a British passport or the certificate when visiting here.

Beforehand they could come over on the other country’s passport (without the need for a British one).

An example here is;

* An Australian citizen living in Australia (no dual UK nationality) visiting the UK with an Australian passport needs an ESTA (same thing we need to visit there) - it’s an electronic visa which is around £16.

* An Australian with dual UK citizenship (but no British passport) was able to travel on an Australian passport with an ESTA. Now they’ll need to either get a British passport or get the certificate (the passport is cheaper) to enter the UK.

* It’s gets messier if a UK national say gave up their citizenship for another country (like in China where dual citizenship is not allowed). I believe then this wouldn’t apply to them and they’d need a normal visa (as they won’t have or be able to get a British passport unless they give up citizenship of China).

The main confusion regarding the certificate is who would actually need it (as none of the above would - I could be wrong with the China example case though, and they’d may be the ones who would need it, if dual citizenship is not allowed, meaning they can’t get a British passport).

It’s cheaper for British nationals who live outside of the UK to get a British passport. But this whole thing is to make more money from dual citizens, as it’s them who it affects.

Oh I see ...yeah it sounds confusing and messy now .

China has always been more strict regarding their government and regulations I think.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

That’s different from the certificate. And also not as complicated.

Certain countries (like USA, NZ, Australia, EU countries) just need an ESTA to visit (same as we need to visit them). Everyone else needs a standard visa.

The exception being if you are a dual citizen with the UK visiting the UK. You either need a valid British passport or the certificate.

Like my friends in NZ. They are British but hold dual nationality with NZ and travel on NZ passports. But they now can’t come here on their NZ passports with an ESTA, as they’re British. They either need a British passport or a certificate. Basically, it’s a way for the UK to make more money on those who chose to live away from the UK.

What a surprise the contempt they hold for their own is very evident, 600 pounds is just robbery

[Benjamin]

Looks like the government has now confirmed UK dual nationals won’t need to get a British passport but can instead get the digital certificate, which won’t have an expiry and will be transferred over when they get a new passport.

My friends are raging, as they just got British passports for them and the kids when they could have done the certificate. Now they’ll have to spend more money to either get new British passports in ten years or to get the certificate.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/36094...of-citizenship

[Livia]

Funny how we can make it so hard and expensive to come here for some while others don't even need an ID.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Looks like the government has now confirmed UK dual nationals won’t need to get a British passport but can instead get the digital certificate, which won’t have an expiry and will be transferred over when they get a new passport.

My friends are raging, as they just got British passports for them and the kids when they could have done the certificate. Now they’ll have to spend more money to either get new British passports in ten years or to get the certificate.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/36094...of-citizenship

Isn't the certificate 5 times more expensive than a passport

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

Funny how we can make it so hard and expensive to come here for some while others don't even need an ID.

I have made this point often, we stand in our lines queuing to be allowed back in, checked over by border force who sometimes ask you where you have been and where you are going.... while people who come in with no paperwork are given everything, you couldn't make this stuff up honestly

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Isn't the certificate 5 times more expensive than a passport

Yeah, but it lasts forever, so in the long run would be cheaper (as they live in NZ so also have to pay ridiculous amounts on secure delivery for the 5 passports they need each time).

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I have made this point often, we stand in our lines queuing to be allowed back in, checked over by border force who sometimes ask you where you have been and where you are going.... while people who come in with no paperwork are given everything, you couldn't make this stuff up honestly

When I go to Israel or we go anywhere else as a family we usually fly from Norwich to Amsterdam, then on from there. The parking is easy and it's so much simpler than going to one of the big airports. But the Border Force there... honestly I have to bite my lip every time. They look you up and down and they're always very interested in my OH, wanting to know if he's been on business, asking about his permission to work here... I want to scream "You people are wasted here, you should be on the south coast where your SS style attitude would be put to better use!".

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Yeah, but it lasts forever, so in the long run would be cheaper (as they live in NZ so also have to pay ridiculous amounts on secure delivery for the 5 passports they need each time).

for a family of 5 they will have to shell out nearly 3 grand initially, crazy money, what is wrong with the government that they can seem to do anything right

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

When I go to Israel or we go anywhere else as a family we usually fly from Norwich to Amsterdam, then on from there. The parking is easy and it's so much simpler than going to one of the big airports. But the Border Force there... honestly I have to bite my lip every time. They look you up and down and they're always very interested in my OH, wanting to know if he's been on business, asking about his permission to work here... I want to scream "You people are wasted here, you should be on the south coast where your SS style attitude would be put to better use!".

We tend to use Norwich as well, its just so handy, some of them really like to wield power for sure

[bots]

Isn't it true that if the dual citizens give up their british passport they get the cheaper entry?

There are a lot of ex pats of a certain age that come back to the uk to get free treatment on the NHS. My bet is that this move is to discourage that

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by bots

Isn't it true that if the dual citizens give up their british passport they get the cheaper entry?

There are a lot of ex pats of a certain age that come back to the uk to get free treatment on the NHS. My bet is that this move is to discourage that

You can’t just give up your passport to rescind dual nationality. The only way (I believe) to give up your British nationality is if the other country doesn’t allow dual nationality (like China or Japan). You have to apply to the home office and pay to do so.

Expats can only get full NHS entitlement if they are able to prove they live in the UK again. There’s many a way around that (and likely always will be). But this isn’t to stop that.