[Rex=Legend]

Your reasoning and 'proofs' are still very weak points Sticks. And you still seem to have missed a lot of the whole point of what I was saying.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Nurse57
Can I just say that is not proof, but opinion. "may" "could" "suggest" and "claim" are not words usually associated with "proof"

Which is also language used by those trying to explain the evolutionary scenario

[Christina]

Sorry, i know im abit late but just because some things may have been 'proven' does not mean that people cannot beleive in religon!!! I think its kind of rude to call people stupid and to tell people that they have no commen sence!! Its up to people who and what they beleive in whether its true or not it gives some sort of comfort beleiving in things. x

[x.Nicola.x]

I go to church sometimes. I do believe in God to an extent but even though I am Catholic I think some of the rules they have are ridiculous. Faith isn't something I really think about alot though, I am young and I if I do develop a very strong faith I will have more time to practise my faith when I am older.

But I would never disrespect someone for believing/not believing in a religion. Everyone is entitled to believe whatever and aslong as there not offending anyone else, then that's fine.

[Sticks]

The problem is that so called established churches lost "market share" to what are classed as independents. These churches may rent a place, rather than own a building like we do, and some groups may actually provide a service for the community.

When a church is functioning correctly then it acts like a family and members help each other out.

One rarely sees that level of mutual help and aid in a secular organisation.

[_Audrey]

The universe started with a "Big Bang," the beginning of time and space. Science has shown there is no 'before' before the Bang, although science does not know what caused it. Darwin's Theory of Evolution is the strongest theory out there into how humans evolved.

Science gives answers, whereas religion doesn't. Science gives facts, religion gives hazy and contradictory suggestions.

[fairymoon]

dont go to church, i am pagan so i can pray anywere, i belive the earth is our goddess

[Sticks]

Originally posted by _Audrey
Science gives answers, whereas religion doesn't. Science gives facts, religion gives hazy and contradictory suggestions.

In light of the Heisenberg Uncertainty principal, want to re-think that one?

[Princess]

No. I havn't believed in God for a good few years now. The last times I went when were school brought us.

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by Sticks

In light of the Heisenberg Uncertainty principal, want to re-think that one?

No, I can't prove God doesn't exist, but then again you don't prove a negative, you prove a positive. So unless you, or anyone for that matter, can give valid evidence for God, I remain unconvinced.

[Sticks]

What I am alluding to is that at the quantum level, science gets hazy and fuzzy.

Try pinpointing an electron in time and space

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by Sticks
What I am alluding to is that at the quantum level, science gets hazy and fuzzy.

Try pinpointing an electron in time and space

That doesn't give me an answer.

What do you mean "try pinpointing an electron in time and space" - do you do science!?

[Lauren]

In following with Popper's Falsifcation Thesis (Basically; you can never prove something as correct, but if you can falsify it; thus... prove something is wrong, then it's considered more of a 'fact') then Science > Religion.

Originally posted by Matt08
Nope, I think the church is one of earth's most boring places. I don't believe in Jesus/God either. I used to have to go to church at my old school (at Christmas), but I hated it. Forcing children to go to church should be banned.

hell for you me thinks! lol

Originally posted by fairymoon
dont go to church, i am pagan so i can pray anywere, i belive the earth is our goddess

Earth is dying. sorry!

[Xander]

I don't have a religion, so I don't go to church.

[andybigbro]

No
I used to for the Boys brigade

[Sticks]

Originally posted by _Audrey

That doesn't give me an answer.

What do you mean "try pinpointing an electron in time and space" - do you do science!?

I did it to degree level, and my major was in Physics

There is a belief we know absolutely everything in science, which is not so. As a scientist

What happened at the point of the Big Bang, if you subscribe to that theory

How did we obtain spontaneous generation to create life
How did we go from mono-cellular life to multi-cellular life
How can we create a theory of everything and combine all the forces into one?

Plus a number of others

[Rex=Legend]

More importantly than all that , why do we worship an object none of us have ever seen or heard from despite the **** we SHOULD be tending to in our lives JUST because Science does not have all the answers yet?

I hate how these things always turn in to Science > Religion or Religion > Science.

Why does Religion even need to be their?

Its like - ''AHA! flaw in your logic Mr. Scientist! You cant prove this! Wheres my Bible?''.

Why is Religion the automatic response when Science cant give us something? Its nothing more than a longstanding meme. An assumption.

[GiRTh]

I went to Sunday school till I was 16 but I've kind of lost the faith since then.

[Fom]

Tbh, I think the creation of the universe goes beyond anything the human brain could even think of, there is alot humankind will never explain, but just because we cant explain it doesn't really mean some magic man in the sky made it.

The same applies to god though... who created god? If god has always been here then whats to say the universe hasnt always been here? And to talk about before the big bang, there is some scientific proof, I read somewhere that the universe was once the size of a grain of salt and it exploded outwards... and is still expanding.
But that was ages ago so im not sure if its right. But there are ideas to what has happened, but this whole universe is complicated. much more than we can understand.

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by Spike
No. I don't believe in the whole religion thing and its pathetic people do.

Thats insulting quite a lot of people.

I go sometimes. I read sometimes, but only for practise at public speaking. I'm catholic, so my parents like me to go. But if I'm not in a good mood, I wouldn't push myself to go or anything.

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by Spike

There is, anyone with abit of common sense realises that religion is just all lies and not true.
If people want to believe in it good for them but I think they are being stupid

So you're calling someone like Mother Teresa pathetic and stupid.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Fom
Im not sure if its right. But there are ideas to what has happened, but this whole universe is complicated. much more than we can understand.

I think the latest attempt was the Inflationary model of the universe.

However yet again they violate the 1st law of thermodynamics, and we also have the issue of entropy

[srawr]

Originally posted by Sticks

I think the latest attempt was the Inflationary model of the universe.

However yet again they violate the 1st law of thermodynamics, and we also have the issue of entropy

zomg Sticks, I cannot believe that you just invoked the world of physics, specifically thermodynamics. I am and because I just learned that today in school. Can't stand my physics class.

Anyway, back on topic...No, I don't go to church. My parents never made me go, as they wanted me to make my own decision about it. My grandmother, who works in the church office, used to "push" religion on us, and that's when I started to drift away from church. The last time I stepped in a church, barring school, was May of 2007.

Long-winded, right? Well, that's my 2 cents.