[BusyBee]

Yet will BB do anything about it - no they wont. Anyone else and they would be on the plasma screen, but not Maxwell.

[Ruth]

I do think that what he said was as bad if not worse than what Derek said. As I said I have started to like Max a bit more over the past few days, but he still winds me up (how many times do I need to hear "off the hook" and "****about") but Saskia winds me up a lot more.

It's not the housemates' faults, but BB has clearly identified it's heroes and villains after the first few days, and portrays housemates according to how they want them to be seen. I don't know why people are surprised though - it's been going on at least since BB3.

[XxBlue_Eyes_2005Xx]

that is unfair altho i dont mind that much cuz i like the 3 of them but still HOW UNFAIR bad on ya bb

[Seer]

Its not rocket science that the reasons both Saskia and Maxwell nominated Derek and Roberto was cos of the plasma screen showing them wanting Saskia gone. Now with Maxwell holding a torch for Saskia its no wonder they both were heated up about it and was no surprised why they have it in for the pair even though the plasma screen was shown AFTER the nominations were made so not to influence the nominations beforehand, but funnily enough Saskia had already nominated Derek and Roberto so she must have already disliked them before the plasma screen thing anyway.and even Maxwell had nominated for Roberto cos he had food chucked over his head a couple of days before.and with tempers still flaring from the incident they obviously were saying about getting rid of them which BB turned a blind eye at as it was pretty obvious who they were going to vote for next time.Anyway they could have made things worse by bringing Anthony and new bum chum Craig in on the plot as they obviously never got the message cos neither of them voted for Roberto.With the hundreds of complaints coming in it must have been the entire fanbase of Derek and Roberto put together.

[Ruth]

But that's like saying it was ok for Max to say such things because he was annoyed with Derek and Roberto! I think it's totally unfair if as you say BB turned a blind eye because it was obvious who Max and Saskia were going to vote for anyway. The point is, they blatantly discussed nominations, which is supposed to be forbidden under any circumstances. It can't be excused because they were annoyed with Derek and Roberto. What Max said was far more blatant than what Derek said. Yes it wa pretty obvious as you say that Max and Saskia would nominate Derek and Roberto anyway, but that's irrelevant to the fact that they broke the rules. They should have kept their mouths shut, instead of bitching about Derek and Roberto doing something and then doing the exact same thing themselves

[Seer]

I suppose you could also think that people bitching about a certain housemate that goes on for hours must be seen as possible influencing i.e i expect Vanessa to be nominating Craig this week as she obviously got a problem with him.There are different ways of people influencing in that house without verbally saying it. even Makosi said that Derek had wrote two S's on her feet as though to say Sam and Saskia but he got away with that.At the end of the day if you like a person in the house your not going to nominate them whether there is any influencing or not.If you watch BB alot you will see many examples of people running others down, that might be considered who they may be nominating.I would rather they scrapped the nomination process and just put them all up everyweek atleast we get the chance to get rid of the crap without a non entity like Vanessa escaping for weeks for being quiet and smiling at everyone.

[Slartibartfast]

LOL, you managed to fit in a "At the end of the day" in there, Seer.

Maybe this is catching, although at the end of the day, I don't think you'll find it affects me.

[Ruth]

Seer, I understand what you're saying, and I think you're right that people will nominate the people they don't like regardless of someone trying to influence them. Therefore talking about nominations won't make a difference. But in that case, how come Derek, Roberto and Craig were punished and Max and Saskia weren't? Whichever way I look at it, it seems to me that two sets of people did the same thing and broke the same rule, yet one set were punished and one set weren't.

I agree it would be good to have them all up every week, and yes, we could then get rid of non-entities like Vanessa! But the only thing with that is that everybody would be in the same boat every week. I know if I was in there, and I was up for eviction, I would be wondering about who had nominated me and why, and if housemates do wonder about that, it could possibly cause tension. But if they were all up every week, there would be none of that.

I think a good idea would be to have a task every week, and the person who won it, would be immune from being nominated for that week!

[Seer]

They said it in the heat of the moment or rather later that evening when they were still angry at what they saw on the plasma screen. I'm not denying what they said was not influencing eachothers nominations or they shouldn't have been punished for it, but i guess BB had their reasons why they never and my guess is that they felt it was not right to punish them cos of the emotions they were going through where Roberto,Derek and Craig was just attacking for no reason.maybe had they been talking about putting two other housemates up for eviction it might have been a different matter.BB sometimes let things go and sometimes they don't. with a couple of fights between Maxwell and Science it's Maxwell who has been hauled before the big guy and Science as got away with it even though he provoked the incident.

[Ruth]

You are absolutely right when you say that Maxwell is the one who has sometimes been warned by BB, when in fact Science is the instigator of these incidents usually, and I think that's unfair also.

I actually think it must be really difficult not to discuss nominations when you're in the house. I can totally understand why Max and co were annoyed with Derek and Roberto (although they seem to have forgiven Craig), but I guess I just think that Derek, Roberto and Craig were punished by BB, so Max and Saskia should have stuck to the rules. It seems slightly hypocritical to have a go at someone for discussing noms, and then do the same thing yourself. But hey, no probs, that's the way it goes sometimes

[Seer]

It's almost like you can slag off a fellow housemate all you want as long as you don't say the magic words of "i am going to nominate them" or " i want them to go" even though saying you "hate" someone isn't an offence. Anyway i'm sure if Max and Saskia do something like it again then BB won't be so sympathetic next time. I think they have forgiven Craig for his inclusion in the episode and ever since Saskia had that stern chat with Craig in the bedroom about his bitchiness side its seemed to have hit home and he's changed alot and for the better.

[dustmite]

Originally posted by James
And Maxwell and Saskia more or less gave the game away about their collusion when they were nominating when they both used similar language to describe the two they were nominating.

But perhaps they're desperate to keep both of them on the back of the new housemates? I think it's pretty much a dead-cert that the housemates have been selected specifically for the fact they're the anti-Saskia and Anti-Maxwell people that we've all been looking for?

Afterall, we all know that Endemol craft the show to such a fine extent, that they're resolving a tiny little glitch to their original selection... I can see what they saw, but sadly the housemates did not deliver. So, drastic times call for drastic actions. But even with that in mind, they're going to keep those two, as they were (I believe anyway) chosen to be the catalysts of a lot of 'clever' plotting between two camps, instead, they've got a pathetic bitch fight going on.