[microscope]

Originally posted by Ruth

But WHY do it? Because their parents think it looks nice?

if someone said to you, "I'm just going to hold this child down and stab a needle into them," wouldn't you think there was something odd about it?

I'm surprised by how many people on here actually don't see a problem with it.

I can't answer the question, "WHY do it?", simply because I wouldn't do it myself and I wouldn't advise a parent to do it either. But as it is legal to do so and if a parent wishes to do it to their baby, then I don't see a problem with the procedure. As long as it's carried out by a professional who is licensed and insured, as a mistake could be costly, quite costly.

[pinkmichk]

Originally posted by microscope

I can't answer the question, "WHY do it?", simply because I wouldn't do it myself and I wouldn't advise a parent to do it either. But as it is legal to do so and if a parent wishes to do it to their baby, then I don't see a problem with the procedure. As long as it's carried out by a professional who is licensed and insured, as a mistake could be costly, quite costly.

thats just it though its mostly done by saturday girls in claires or similar who many dont have proper training (i know someone who as a teen worked there and did them and her training was to use the gun on a orange before going onto paying customers)

[Tom]

Originally posted by microscope

How?

The fact is, they are totally dependant on others.

They make decisions. If a parent tries to give them something or do something they don't like, the parent does something else or gives them something else.

[microscope]

Originally posted by Gemmer-x

"They have a choice about when to be born right? "

Wrong!

Why would the parents want to in-flict pain up on their child when it isn't necessary?

The pain would be short. A matter of a second or more.

Regarding whether piercing is necessary. Well it is never necessary to pierce a baby or even yourself, it is a matter of choice. The argument I see here is that a baby is not given the choice, well a baby is too young to have that privilege. That is upto the parent and if the parent/s choose to have their baby pierced, then you must accept that, as it is legal. Even if it may not seem moral to do so. That is subject to criticism.

[microscope]

Originally posted by Gemmer-x

Yes and the doctor is more than likely giving the baby a needle for its own good, ear piercing is not compulsory nor necessary.

I never said it was compulsary or necessary. I only said that I don't see a problem if it is performed on the baby by a professional and the parent/s make that legal decision. I brought the doctor's needle into the argument as a comparitive to the pain which the baby will receive, which would be minor.

[Fom]

Originally posted by Fom
You guys are making a mountain out of a molehill... seriously.

The baby forgets about it within minutes!

Dont you hate it when you get ignored...

[Jen]

Originally posted by tooperfect

LOL

ILY

[Gemmer-x]

Originally posted by microscope

Wrong!

okay fair do's im no baby expert, i thought it did.

The pain would be short. A matter of a second or more.

Regarding whether piercing is necessary. Well it is never necessary to pierce a baby or even yourself, it is a matter of choice. The argument I see here is that a baby is not given the choice, well a baby is too young to have that privilege. That is upto the parent and if the parent/s choose to have their baby pierced, then you must accept that, as it is legal. Even if it may not seem moral to do so. That is subject to criticism.

+ yes the pain of the piercing may only be a ''second or more'' but for the few days after the piercing, every time you lay on it, that hurts plus everytime you have to twist the back to ensure it doesn't go scabby or whatever that isn't very comfortable either, speaking from experience here.

at the end of the day; if i ever have children i will probably wait until they are at the age (10?) where they can decide whether to have a piercing or not.

also im not saying that parents who choose to pierce their babys ears are bad parents or whatever, yes it's legal do what you like it's just not something i would do..

[microscope]

Originally posted by pinkmichk

yes but its mostly done with a gun which do hurt more are more unsafe and way more unhygenic
and like i said it breaks my heart when i have to take my daughter (i did just this last week) for her injections which are needed so she is protected against stuff piercing a baby or childs ears is not needed and no need to put a child through unneeded pain imo

The reason for inventing the gun, was to make piercing a quicker procedure. Your ear/lip/nose/nipple/penis/etc, would be pierced in a split second and that has to be good!

I know that as a good parent, "as I'm sure you are". I am glad to hear that you are doing your child good by having innoculations against polio, diptheria, measles, etc, which is necessary and productive, but not all parents feel that is enough. A minority may wish to exercise their legal right to body pierce their baby and so they do.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Fom

Dont you hate it when you get ignored...

How do you know? It hurts for a few weeks until you get used to it

[pinkmichk]

Originally posted by microscope

The reason for inventing the gun, was to make piercing a quicker procedure. Your ear/lip/nose/nipple/penis/etc, would be pierced in a split second and that has to be good!

I know that as a good parent, "as I'm sure you are". I am glad to hear that you are doing your child good by having innoculations against polio, diptheria, measles, etc, which is necessary and productive, but not all parents feel that is enough. A minority may wish to exercise their legal right to body pierce their baby and so they do.

the gun is for ears only the only other place it could be used is nose but if you do it can seriously damage that area

[microscope]

Originally posted by pinkmichk

thats just it though its mostly done by saturday girls in claires or similar who many dont have proper training (i know someone who as a teen worked there and did them and her training was to use the gun on a orange before going onto paying customers)

If I heard that a procedure like that was being carried out on a baby or even older, I'd be quite happy to report them to the appropriate authority and have them closed down. It is criminal. Like I said earlier, it MUST be performed by someone who is a professional and every care and attention MUST be taken. We are talking about a baby.

[microscope]

Originally posted by Tom

They make decisions. If a parent tries to give them something or do something they don't like, the parent does something else or gives them something else.

Any parent will tell you that babies can be quite awkward at times. You can give them baby food and they can end up spitting it in your face or throwing it on your lovely carpet. This is why the parent has to take charge, not the baby.

[microscope]

Originally posted by Gemmer-x

"The pain of the piercing may only be a ''second or more'' but for the few days after the piercing, every time you lay on it, that hurts plus everytime you have to twist the back to ensure it doesn't go scabby or whatever that isn't very comfortable either, speaking from experience here."

"You have raised a good point there."

I would hope that the professional, "I shall re-emphasize that word", professional should take that into account before carrying out the procedure and inform the parent/s quite clearly of what the baby will go through during and after the piercing/s are carried out. Then and only then should it be performed. But like you point out Gemmer-x, it would trouble me.

"At the end of the day; if i ever have children i will probably wait until they are at the age (10?) where they can decide whether to have a piercing or not."

That would be a more sensible option and one I would certainly follow, "If I had children, which I don't yet". But I am afraid that some parents decide to exercise their legal right and if it's done properly, then let the piercing begin.

I do think that "Ears" is acceptable, but nose, cheeks and "God forbid" anything more adventurous should be left alone until later in life.

[microscope]

Originally posted by pinkmichk

The gun is for ears only the only other place it could be used is nose but if you do it can seriously damage that area

I only know about the guns existance in that field, not the exact areas of the body to which it is used. Thanks for telling me.

[~Kizwiz~]

I find it laughable that anyone would even consider piercing a child before they are mature enough to make the decision for themselves based on whether they want a hole in their ear for the rest of their lives.

I would never ever do this to a child. Its selfish and disgusting.

To pierce a babies ears is child abuse imo

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Fom
You guys are making a mountain out of a molehill... seriously.

The baby forgets about it within minutes!

No. It isn't making a mountain out of a molehill. It is parents satisying their own vanity by doing an unnecessary and painful procedure.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Its a bit chavvy no?

[Ruth]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Its a bit chavvy no?

Yes!

[M X]

I am completlely 100% against it.

[M X]

Originally posted by Ruth

No. It isn't making a mountain out of a molehill. It is parents satisying their own vanity by doing an unnecessary and painful procedure.

I agree with you completley, Ruth.

[pinkmichk]

Originally posted by Ruth

No. It isn't making a mountain out of a molehill. It is parents satisying their own vanity by doing an unnecessary and painful procedure.

agree and also agree with the bit about it looking a bit chavvy