[Red Moon]

Originally posted by bradley27
indeed she did and the fact is that the previous night wasnt the first time he has behaved this way to her. She obviously had enough, that coupled with the other reasons as well and the fact she wasnt voted out. But have no doubt that the way Foolio has behaved and the lack of censure by BB has been a factor. When you are in a place when you cant escape within there, there is only one other course of action, to leave. people forget that in there there is nowhere to get away from the constant abuse and the fact that BB seem to do nothing means that some will leave

From the press there has been on Mutya leaving so far she was fed up playing the clown on Big Brother and she had been complaining for over a week that she is sick of the show and fed up of eating nothing but roast potatoes and chick peas. And in the dairy room she said:

"I feel happy cos I'm going home and seeing my daughter and am going to have a decent night's sleep," she explained. "I don't want anyone to think I haven't enjoyed myself. I've had an amazing experience. But it's just the contact, of not being around people that I love. I miss my daughter dearly."

"I'm really looking forward to going home and giving my daughter a big hug and kiss. I've had my cries. I've missed my mum and my family. But tonight I feel comfortable to go home now."

"A big thank you," replied Mutya. "It's been an amazing experience. I'm never gonna forget this. I've made some great friends. And you've made me feel that not having things, that I have all the time, isn't important. And what's important is to have my friends, my family, my daughter with me."

Now correct me if I'm wrong both in the press, so far, and in what she said before she left there was no mention of bulling or Coolio.

Originally posted by bradley27
do they though? Personally I think these types of people ruin these shows every time and thats why the ratings are falling each year.

I'm no fan of Terry, but I do feel he and people like him would feel the role you are looking for without being boring but at the same time not be aggressive and ruin the show like Tina and Foolio do, and all the other loud mouth bullies in the past.

The ratings have fallen ever since they decided to try and make the show squeaky clean after the CBB5 race row. Even the press have quoted a BB insider today saying “Production are having a bit of a tough time because they are being deluged by emails from compliance at Channel 4 over every little thing." It is the censorship of characters like Tina and Coolio that cause the ratings to drop because the show becomes dull and boring. We need characters in the house who are big, bold and controversial just like any good soap opera big characters.

If people really dislike the big characters and feel their nastiness ruins the show I would suggest they are watching the wrong programme as the sort Big Brother they seem to propose would be so dull and inoffensive you could probably show it on CBBC. It's not something I would want to watch.

The world isn't a nice place, it full of bullies and aggressive people and, as I said before, the house just reflects on what our society is really like.

[shakin]

this is beginning to irritate the hell out of me. Because the people who are reporting to Ofcom are the people who hate the BB show (they are not the actual fans) what they do is sit and watch for stuff to moan about because they know this will HURT the show, and its working.

WE NEED TO FIGHT BACK!!
CAN WE NOT COMPLAIN TO SOME GROUP ABOUT OFCOM???

COME ON WE MUST DO IT, THIS IS GETTING RIDICULOUS!!!

[bradley27]

Originally posted by letmein

Ofcom should be outlawed. Mommy and daddy government needs to be abolished once and for all.

Don't like it? Don't watch it!

nothing to do with watching or not, its to do with upholding the laws about discrimination and abuse

[bradley27]

Originally posted by Red Moon

From the press there has been on Mutya leaving so far she was fed up playing the clown on Big Brother and she had been complaining for over a week that she is sick of the show and fed up of eating nothing but roast potatoes and chick peas. And in the dairy room she said:

"I feel happy cos I'm going home and seeing my daughter and am going to have a decent night's sleep," she explained. "I don't want anyone to think I haven't enjoyed myself. I've had an amazing experience. But it's just the contact, of not being around people that I love. I miss my daughter dearly."

"I'm really looking forward to going home and giving my daughter a big hug and kiss. I've had my cries. I've missed my mum and my family. But tonight I feel comfortable to go home now."

"A big thank you," replied Mutya. "It's been an amazing experience. I'm never going to forget this. I've made some great friends. And you've made me feel that not having things, that I have all the time, isn't important. And what's important is to have my friends, my family, my daughter with me."

Now correct me if I'm wrong both in the press, so far, and in what she said before she left there was no mention of bulling or Coolio.

The ratings have fallen ever since they decided to try and make the show squeaky clean after the CBB5 race row. Even the press have quoted a BB insider today saying “Production are having a bit of a tough time because they are being deluged by emails from compliance at Channel 4 over every little thing." It is the censorship of characters like Tina and Coolio that cause the ratings to drop because the show becomes dull and boring. We need characters in the house who are big, bold and controversial just like any good soap opera big characters.

If people really dislike the big characters and feel their nastiness ruins the show I would suggest they are watching the wrong programme as the sort Big Brother they seem to propose would be so dull and inoffensive you could probably show it on CBBC. It's not something I would want to watch.

The world isn't a nice place, it full of bullies and aggressive people and, as I said before, the house just reflects on what our society is really like.

Sorry I just disagree. And I believe the ratings prove it. If you think people are stopping watching it because they are dissappointed that there arent enough revolting people in there, I think you're wrong. I would like to see them try something different for once. Humour would bring viewers back.

In early series when an argument happened it was a bombshell, but now they do their best to create those situations so you get it all the time, and very few people just want to watch arguments all the time. Thats why most of the proper psychologists left the show. They saw what was happening.

The sad thing is the producers saw how massive the arguments were early on in the BB history and thought that it meant they should put in more and more revolting people, as well as mentally unable people and therefore it would work, but it hasnt and now its dying a slow death because Endemol just dont get it.

Arguments can be explosive and clashing personalities interesting, but not if it is the same thing over and over again

[bradley27]

Originally posted by shakin
this is beginning to irritate the hell out of me. Because the people who are reporting to Ofcom are the people who hate the BB show (they are not the actual fans) what they do is sit and watch for stuff to moan about because they know this will HURT the show, and its working.

WE NEED TO FIGHT BACK!!
CAN WE NOT COMPLAIN TO SOME GROUP ABOUT OFCOM???

COME ON WE MUST DO IT, THIS IS GETTING RIDICULOUS!!!

to be fair, thats not Ofcom's fault, its the people that complain. Ofcom cant ignore it

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by bradley27
Sorry I just disagree. And I believe the ratings prove it. If you think people are stopping watching it because they are dissappointed that there arent enough revolting people in there, I think you're wrong.

No they don't they prove it. When they sanitised BB8 the ratings went down. In fact the race row in CBB5 really didn't affect the programme, as the ratings were similar to those of CBB4. Here is how the two compare (figures are overnights):

CBB4 (2006): 6 million. Peaked at 7.5 million.
CBB5 (2007): 5.8 million. Peaked at 7.3 million.

It not about revolting people it's about drama. Some people on here go on about how great BB7 was, well that was the series before CBB5, and it had some of the most conterverial housemats of all time and was set up to be bitchy and full of arguments. It also had good ratings and lots of drama, although I thought that is when the show went to far.

Which brings us nicely to your second point:

Originally posted by bradley27
In early series when an argument happened it was a bombshell, but now they do their best to create those situations so you get it all the time, and very few people just want to watch arguments all the time. Thats why most of the proper psychologists left the show. They saw what was happening.

The series they go spot on where BB3 and BB5 all of which had a good mix of laughs arguments and drama. Something they tried to repeat in BB6 but failed. That what they need t achieve again.

However turning back to BB7 you had Pete with Tourette syndrome, Lea suffers from Body dysmorphic disorder, Sam who was shunned by some of her family because of her homosexuality their are claims she had a gender identity disorder and Nikki has suffered from anorexia, anxiety and a number of other disorders and had actually been sectioned. Now looking at that and knowing other "proper psychologists" were slamming the show in "The Times" is it not surprising the "proper psychologists" left the show. It wasn't the situations the housemates were put in that caused the problems, it was the people the programme where picking.

Originally posted by bradley27
The sad thing is the producers saw how massive the arguments were early on in the BB history and thought that it meant they should put in more and more revolting people, as well as mentally unable people and therefore it would work, but it hasnt and now its dying a slow death because Endemol just dont get it.

Now at this point I agree some of the housemates put into BB7 should never have been put in the house and the "proper psychologists" were right to leave. That was a step to far and it could have back fired in a major way and I will never forget Nikki's face when she was evicted for the second time.

Originally posted by bradley27
Arguments can be explosive and clashing personalities interesting, but not if it is the same thing over and over again

But that what drama is, and that is why people watch Eastenders and other soaps. It's why CBB5 had reasonable ratings despite what Jade and her little friends did and said.

It wasn't the arguments that killed the show it was the cleaning up of the show.

Now right at the start you said:

Originally posted by bradley27
I would like to see them try something different for once. Humour would bring viewers back.

Now I have left this to last because it was tried after BB3. It was called BB4 and it was the most boring and dullest series of BB ever.

Do we really want a re-run of BB4?

[Wildcat!]

waaw! So many facts there. Gonna have to call you Redkepedia.

[bradley27]

Originally posted by Red Moon

No they don't they prove it. When they sanitised BB8 the ratings went down. In fact the race row in CBB5 really didn't affect the programme, as the ratings were similar to those of CBB4. Here is how the two compare (figures are overnights):

CBB4 (2006): 6 million. Peaked at 7.5 million.
CBB5 (2007): 5.8 million. Peaked at 7.3 million.

It not about revolting people it's about drama. Some people on here go on about how great BB7 was, well that was the series before CBB5, and it had some of the most conterverial housemats of all time and was set up to be bitchy and full of arguments. It also had good ratings and lots of drama, although I thought that is when the show went to far.

Which brings us nicely to your second point:

The series they go spot on where BB3 and BB5 all of which had a good mix of laughs arguments and drama. Something they tried to repeat in BB6 but failed. That what they need t achieve again.

However turning back to BB7 you had Pete with Tourette syndrome, Lea suffers from Body dysmorphic disorder, Sam who was shunned by some of her family because of her homosexuality their are claims she had a gender identity disorder and Nikki has suffered from anorexia, anxiety and a number of other disorders and had actually been sectioned. Now looking at that and knowing other "proper psychologists" were slamming the show in "The Times" is it not surprising the "proper psychologists" left the show. It wasn't the situations the housemates were put in that caused the problems, it was the people the programme where picking.

Now at this point I agree some of the housemates put into BB7 should never have been put in the house and the "proper psychologists" were right to leave. That was a step to far and it could have back fired in a major way and I will never forget Nikki's face when she was evicted for the second time.

But that what drama is, and that is why people watch Eastenders and other soaps. It's why CBB5 had reasonable ratings despite what Jade and her little friends did and said.

It wasn't the arguments that killed the show it was the cleaning up of the show.

Now right at the start you said:

Now I have left this to last because it was tried after BB3. It was called BB4 and it was the most boring and dullest series of BB ever.

Do we really want a re-run of BB4?

I guess we are going to have to disagree on this because you think the ratings are falling for one reason, I for another. As for BB3 and BB5 I think thats exactly the point when it starting going wrong and they put the wrong type of people in, and so did the pyschologists who left. The ones that were then recruited said what they were told to say.

As for would I like to have BB4 again? Compared to this, yes a 100 times more. I prefer decent people working together and being intelligent and having a good laugh. I'll tell you one thing, I bet they wished they could get the same ratings now as they did for BB4. Oh, and I enjoyed watching Celeb Hijack last year as well because bar Liam they were interesting intelligent talented people who mad an effort

Also I believe you are wrong about CBB5 having resonable ratings. Until the whole thing went mad the ratings were falling like a stone. No one was watching

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by bradley27
I guess we are going to have to disagree on this because you think the ratings are falling for one reason, I for another. As for BB3 and BB5 I think thats exactly the point when it starting going wrong and they put the wrong type of people in, and so did the pyschologists who left. The ones that were then recruited said what they were told to say.

It looks that way.... I think the ratings are falling because the show is being cleaned up and they are having to be censored by the commissioning editors, you seem to think it needs cleaning up. I also think BB3 and BB5 were the best of BB you think differently, although I feel we agree about BB7.

On a positive note, we probably agree the show should be more open. We the public need to see the live feed 24/7 so we can make our on minds up about what goes on.

Originally posted by bradley27
As for would I like to have BB4 again? Compared to this, yes a 100 times more. I prefer decent people working together and being intelligent and having a good laugh.

Well that is your choice and you are a brave person for saying you want a return of BB4. It was as dull as watching paint dry.

Originally posted by bradley27
I'll tell you one thing, I bet they wished they could get the same ratings now as they did for BB4. Oh, and I enjoyed watching Celeb Hijack last year as well because bar Liam they were interesting intelligent talented people who mad an effort

I bet they do, but that is all in the past, it is all pre Jade Gobby and the cleaning up of the show which has ruined the ratings.

On a final point BB4 it got the worse viewing figures for a final the before the post Gobby affair shows.

Final night audience

BB1 - 9.5 million
BB2 - 7 million
BB3 - 10 million
BB4 - 7.4 million
BB5 - 9 million
BB6 - 8 million
BB7 - 8.2 million

It is what they do now to make the show alive again that is interesting but that is in area I feel we will differ in.

[shakin]

Originally posted by bradley27

to be fair, thats not Ofcom's fault, its the people that complain. Ofcom cant ignore it

Yeah well Ofcom shouldnt have the power it has because BB is like coolio in a way, u either love him or him. And the haters are using Ofcom as a hammer to smash BB. Its influence needs to be questioned.

[bradley27]

Originally posted by Red Moon

From the press there has been on Mutya leaving so far she was fed up playing the clown on Big Brother and she had been complaining for over a week that she is sick of the show and fed up of eating nothing but roast potatoes and chick peas. And in the dairy room she said:

"I feel happy cos I'm going home and seeing my daughter and am going to have a decent night's sleep," she explained. "I don't want anyone to think I haven't enjoyed myself. I've had an amazing experience. But it's just the contact, of not being around people that I love. I miss my daughter dearly."

"I'm really looking forward to going home and giving my daughter a big hug and kiss. I've had my cries. I've missed my mum and my family. But tonight I feel comfortable to go home now."

"A big thank you," replied Mutya. "It's been an amazing experience. I'm never going to forget this. I've made some great friends. And you've made me feel that not having things, that I have all the time, isn't important. And what's important is to have my friends, my family, my daughter with me."

Now correct me if I'm wrong both in the press, so far, and in what she said before she left there was no mention of bulling or Coolio.

The ratings have fallen ever since they decided to try and make the show squeaky clean after the CBB5 race row. Even the press have quoted a BB insider today saying “Production are having a bit of a tough time because they are being deluged by emails from compliance at Channel 4 over every little thing." It is the censorship of characters like Tina and Coolio that cause the ratings to drop because the show becomes dull and boring. We need characters in the house who are big, bold and controversial just like any good soap opera big characters.

If people really dislike the big characters and feel their nastiness ruins the show I would suggest they are watching the wrong programme as the sort Big Brother they seem to propose would be so dull and inoffensive you could probably show it on CBBC. It's not something I would want to watch.

The world isn't a nice place, it full of bullies and aggressive people and, as I said before, the house just reflects on what our society is really like.

well she certainly seems to be saying what the real reason is now. I guess I was right then

http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_head...name_page.html

So the victim feel she have no choice but to leave and C4 leave this sex pest with a history of this behaviour, in the house.

The worst thing she says is that they did complain, yet nothing was done. And surprise surprise they hardly showed anyone going into the DR to complain.

And they wonder why people end up complaining. They couldnt even cover it up whilst hardly showing any l/f.

Once again Endemol shows their contempt for people. By doing nothing they have forced someone to leave, basically rewarding the bully. There is no other alternative for them if BB wont act, as there is no where to go in the house, to get away from it.

[bradley27]

Originally posted by Red Moon

It looks that way.... I think the ratings are falling because the show is being cleaned up and they are having to be censored by the commissioning editors, you seem to think it needs cleaning up. I also think BB3 and BB5 were the best of BB you think differently, although I feel we agree about BB7.

On a positive note, we probably agree the show should be more open. We the public need to see the live feed 24/7 so we can make our on minds up about what goes on.

Well that is your choice and you are a brave person for saying you want a return of BB4. It was as dull as watching paint dry.

I bet they do, but that is all in the past, it is all pre Jade Gobby and the cleaning up of the show which has ruined the ratings.

On a final point BB4 it got the worse viewing figures for a final the before the post Gobby affair shows.

Final night audience

BB1 - 9.5 million
BB2 - 7 million
BB3 - 10 million
BB4 - 7.4 million
BB5 - 9 million
BB6 - 8 million
BB7 - 8.2 million

It is what they do now to make the show alive again that is interesting but that is in area I feel we will differ in.

personally I feel the moment when they lost it was when they showed their contempt for the voters by putting Nikki back in. It never recovered from that. Jade followed but the damage was done. They lost the trust that very moment.

Give me intelligent humourous fun people over thick stereotypical mental patients, any day.

[bradley27]

Originally posted by shakin

Yeah well Ofcom shouldnt have the power it has because BB is like coolio in a way, u either love him or him. And the haters are using Ofcom as a hammer to smash BB. Its influence needs to be questioned.

true but that doesnt mean Ofcom shouldnt exist. TV like any other industry needs to keep checks and balances.

As for my original point, the trouble is because of the way Endemol thinks they should do things, they never learn (they certainly havent from the Jade affair) and it ends up with people complaining to Ofcom.