[Dom:D]

I don't know.

[arista]

Originally posted by Dom
I don't know.

Thats OK
you may change over time.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by arista

Fom
you would not be attacked for voting against Corrupt Brown
you do not have to share it with you college chums.


New Labour is New Conservative
And those 4 in the House of Lords are typical
10K to get a question started
that is Gordon Corrupt Brown.
They are still there
They should be removed fast.


New Labour Corruption like that puts
the young off
of voting.

And your serious alternative is?

[Tom4784]

I think they're all useless at the moment but If I had to pick i'd say labour. It's better the devil you know. Plus David Cameron is a snake and I hate the Conservative party.

[Bells]

Originally posted by Dezzy
I think they're all useless at the moment but If I had to pick i'd say labour. It's better the devil you know. Plus David Cameron is a snake and I hate the Conservative party.

Pretty much my opinion as it stands.

However, we just don't have enough choice and although we claim the UK to be a multiparty system, it seems to be heading towards a two-party system and just that. The Lib Dems exist but just don't have a chance of being elected. It may become almost rigid like we see in the US with the Democrats/Republicans. I follow politics but don't really support a party - more individual policies, which isn't that useful because it all too often turns into a slanging match between the governing party and the opposition. Basically as I said before, we need more choice.

[arista]

Yes More choice with Conservative-LibDem power
if we get a Hung Parliament.

Getting rid of Warmonger Brown
and New Labour
is what the UK needs.

[NettoSuperstar!]

so you want a conservative Govt? when youve accused New Labour of being New conservative, your a mixed up kid!!

[arista]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
so you want a conservative Govt? when youve accused New Labour of being New conservative, your a mixed up kid!!

Not a Kid.


And Corrupt New Labour became New Conservative.
That is a Fact.


So much is all the same.


But the One Eyed Scottish Idiot PM
never was elected by the Public.
and has wrecked this nation.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/...5875-21100540/


"Poor man, hes actually seen the books. We have this one-eyed Scottish idiot who keeps telling us everythings fine and hes saved the world and we know hes lying, but hes smooth at telling us."

[NettoSuperstar!]

...and you say you want the Conservatives in instead? how is that logical?.

...And I think Gordons trying to do his best with a situation that was mostly out of his hands... and at least hes trying to take action! The conservatives are full of criticism but NO answers of their own, and I'd put money on us being in a much worse situation in their hands!

[arista]

This nation meeds a Change
even in a Hung Parliament
Conserv-Lib Dem

is a Billion times better
than corrupt New Labour.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Balls, and this change is going to be better how?? what do they say that is going to improve things so much?? you vote for your change mate see where it gets you! You'll be on here ranting more I guarantee! You think the Conservatives are going to give more of damn about the working man/woman? Ha! Its not even on the agenda mate!

[arista]

No need to Rant
But a good need to get New Labour out of power.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by arista
No need to Rant
But a good need to get New Labour out of power.

Have you ever heard the saying "Out of the frying pan and into the fire"? You think the Conservatives give a damn about the common working man/woman? Do me a favour! And as for a hung Tory/Lib Dem parliament hahahha

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Tom

But they are going to win the next election purely because ill informed voters will vote for them thinking everything is going to be the same, when really they're in for a wake up call and might as well sign a contract saying "ruin my life".

By the way I didn't mean I'd vote for them, although I would benefit more but in the bigger picture its just not right. Its just the way I've phrased that.

I know love! I just thought it needed explaining more, the two idealogies like

[bananarama]

Can't say how I would vote as of this time . I can say how I have voted in the past however.......First half of my voting life I voted "Conservative". Second half of my voting life I voted "Labour". Never voted Lib dem probably never will.

Since the mid 80's Thatcherism and all that I have hated the conservatives and think under Cameron the Tories are exactly the same with the same policies that create mass unemployment even on top of the unemployment we now are heading for.

The problem with "New Labour" is that they have turned out to be more like "New conservative". As I hate conservative desrtuctive policies this leaves me with a voting dilema....

Like the Tories Labour are fixated with the private sector being some sort of majic bullet of efficiency..In fact in the main they are money grabbing middle men laughing all the way to the bank while paying low wages....

Another thing I hate about so called new Labour is their constant abilty to try and control peoples lives for them.....Nanny state mentality control freakism. Far too many Labour MPs are religious control freaks.....Blair the preacher. Brown a religous upbringing which when translated means he was brainwashed as a child.....

If I am alive at the next General election chances are I will not vote for any of the decrepid two faced lying hypocrites on offer....

[arista]

The Next Election is Next year , I think.


Brown has to go.
Building Debt on Debt
is so Dumb.

[Smeggypants]

Originally posted by SiaSiaSia
And why?

I'm just curious, tbh

NONE!

Why?

Because the only two parties with any chance of getting into power are both controlled by the same ruling elite.

A 2 party system like the system we have in the UK and the USA are not a democracy they are a method of allowing the ruling elite to give us the illusion of democracy while they keep hold of power.

You'll notice that every 2 or 3 terms there'll be a big swing from one side to the other. This is predictable. The next winner will promise to work for the people but after a while the people will realise that the government is not working for the people but is instead working for the ruling elite.

This results in the opposing party getting into power.

This is why we've had a swing from Thatcher to Blair and a forthcoming swing to Cameron.

Similarly in the USA we had a swing from Reagan to Clinton to Bush and now to Obama.

As long as the 2 party system continues the longer the ordinary person (That's you and me ) won't have any real political power.

The system needs changing but as long as people continue to vote they are continuing to put faith in the system.

Until the ballot paper has an option for 'none of the above' The only way to protest is to stop voting altogether.

The only way that the system will be reformed is when the public show a loss in confidence in the current system.

So don't vote for the lesser of two evils. Only vote for what you are truly confident in.

Have fun!!

Smeggy!!

[Smeggypants]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Balls, and this change is going to be better how?? what do they say that is going to improve things so much?? you vote for your change mate see where it gets you! You'll be on here ranting more I guarantee! You think the Conservatives are going to give more of damn about the working man/woman? Ha! Its not even on the agenda mate!

Spot on!

If you want a change don't vote at all. The tories are no change they are much of the same.

[andyman]

"2 party system"... We have more, people can vote for another if they want but many dont..

"uk not a democracy" ... When you vote is there a gun pointed at your head? Vote for another party! You have the vote, use it!

[Smeggypants]

Originally posted by arista
The Next Election is Next year , I think.


Brown has to go.
Building Debt on Debt
is so Dumb.

It is dumb. But unfortunately that's the way the system works.

Without debt there wouldn't be any money in circulation and no one would have any money to spend. Then the economy would really collapse.

Don't blame Bottler Brown, blame the bankers who introduced Fractional Reserve Banking and Interest.

We have a monetary system which works on debt. Without debt we are stuffed. It shouldn't be like that!!!!



Watch this... it explains how it works ....

http://www.smeggys.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=618

[Smeggypants]

Originally posted by Ash

Pretty much my opinion as it stands.

However, e just don't have enough choice and although we claim the UK to be a multiparty system, it seems to be heading towards a two-party system and just that.

'Heading' ?? It always was a 2 party system.

The Lib Dems exist but just don't have a chance of being elected. It may become almost rigid like we see in the US with the Democrats/Republicans. I follow politics but don't really support a party - more individual policies, which isn't that useful because it all too often turns into a slanging match between the governing party and the opposition. Basically as I said before, we need more choice.

Indeed!!!

But we'll NEVER get more choice while the current system remains in place.

Even those MPs that mean well and want to really help the people are stuck with voting on legislation that toes the party line. It's very rare there is a free vote in parliament where they got to vote on what *they* feel rather than what the party wants.

People have to stop voting to force the country to wake up and debate and implement a better system.

As long as people keep voting nothing will change.

[Smeggypants]

Originally posted by andyman
"2 party system"... We have more, people can vote for another if they want but many dont..

"uk not a democracy" ... When you vote is there a gun pointed at your head? Vote for another party! You have the vote, use it!

You are not understanding how it works in practise.

Sure, of course anyone can start a political party, but you try it?

In practise democracy is only an illusion. It's not a matter of people voting with guns to their head. It requires the resources of the media and millions of £££££ to be a party that has even a 10th of a chance of succeeding.

It's not a case of whether you have a vote or not, it's case of what choice you are given.

The limited choice of candidates for primeminister you get to vote for is heavily vetted well before you even get chance to put your X on the paper. That is NOT a demcoracy.

If you think the UK is a democracy you are fooling yourself. We have a parliamentary system.

A democracy is a system when anyone get's an equal chance of success

[andyman]

This a red rant? Pour me a glass of vodka

Nothing wrong with the system... You want to beat them then join them!

[fishseller]

The Fish party smells a bit though

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Smeggypants

You are not understanding how it works in practise.

Sure, of course anyone can start a political party, but you try it?

In practise democracy is only an illusion. It's not a matter of people voting with guns to their head. It requires the resources of the media and millions of £££££ to be a party that has even a 10th of a chance of succeeding.

It's not a case of whether you have a vote or not, it's case of what choice you are given.

The limited choice of candidates for primeminister you get to vote for is heavily vetted well before you even get chance to put your X on the paper. That is NOT a demcoracy.

If you think the UK is a democracy you are fooling yourself. We have a parliamentary system.

A democracy is a system when anyone get's an equal chance of success

Its never going to get to a point where noone votes though is it? Its money that dictates how things are run whoevers in power...at least lets vote for a party that TRY to create opportunities for those less privileged.