[dbfs]

I cant remember Kate lawlor getting her kit off and she was good fun and she won.
If your going to criticise her beliefs in free love then surely you should be criticisng all gays, lesbians and bi's in the house also.
I actually think Bea is a very nice girl - shes the only one out of the new housemates which is basically saying hey lets just see what happens and who the housemates nominate and not back stab people just to stay from being nominated - she goes right up there in my estimation and I think probably the only newbe worth staying - so lets not destroy her before she has even had a chance.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Nice post oooo-get-her.

I agree, but I also should question the age of the people looking for role models, and they will often change as they get older, rightly so. So some of them should be ignored by some of the younger people who are more easily influenced. Its just down to individual parenting.

My role models are Neal Cassady (bet 99.9% of people will have to google him), and Hunter S Thompson.

[Oooo_get_her]

Thanks AoaJ - I only know of NC because I have read On the Road - Hunter S I'm far better acquainted with. Not bad choices.

My role models are Miss Piggy and Daniel O'Connell. How's that for a contrast?

[fizzii]

I agree completely that looking for a role model in the BB house is somewhat futile (and not to be recommended) but then again, every year there are one or two people who I want to cheer for being themselves and getting on without being a total idiot.

I know people have mixed opinions about Freddie, but I like him as a person and he has been true to himself so far I think.

And in the past Pete was a nice chap, and Eugene was ace... but I couldn't really think of any women who might fit that category - hence the post.

thanks - it's been really interesting reading all your posts

[BJ]

I din't think she's particularly a good role model but she seems a very likeable and decent person. Hope she goes far in the game

[HalfwitFTW]

I don't know why people have a problem with polygamy... as long as the people involved are ok with it and nobody is getting harmed then they should be allowed to do what they like. Just because society says monogamy is correct that doesn't mean it is.

As for her taking drugs (that's if she does) nicotine and alcohol can be even more harmful then some drugs, yet most people have no problem with people smoking or drinking. Why the double standards with drugs?

That said, I wouldn't consider Bea as a 'role model', simply for the fact she is on Big Brother, and like someone mentioned.. Big Brother is the LAST place to look for role models.

[anonycat]

Originally posted by BBLB

My views on monogamy and drugs are completely irelevant to the thread subject.
Is Bea a good role model.

Sure, but you used those views as reasons why you deem her a bad role model. I am not arguing against your views. We are obviously very different people with differing opinions, and that's fine.
I was stating a counter view on these issues and stating why these things, (in my opinion) do not, alone, denote someone to "bad role model" status.

If you think being unfaithful,taking drugs and being work shy is a good cast for a role model then your entitled to your opinion.

Polygamy/polyamory does not = unfaithful. I clearly outlined that I think these sexual/romantic arrangements are only okay if it is open and honest (same with monogamy, btw). Being unfaithful, no matter what the parameters of a relationship are, is nothing more than a form of dishonesty, and I have no respect for the dishonest.

I don't believe taking drugs is either bad or good. It all depends on the person that takes the drug.
As others have pointed out, legality is not a valid factor to determine the (im)morality of something.

As for stereotypes I think Bea is very stereotypical of a free loving hippie,im just waiting for her to puff her cigarette along with halfwit and utter stuff like yeah man the world is a beautiful place,make love not war,etc.

Ah, I almost forgot,...
Yeah man, the world is a beautiful place (when it is not terribly ugly), and I'd much rather all the soldiers put away their weapons and got out their... erm... So, yep, make love not war. (~_^)b

(But use a rubber, please, because the world is too freaking overcrowded as is.)

[anonycat]

Originally posted by Oooo_get_her
I have been holidaying and have my brains *****ed out too much in the last week to see BB

( ^_^)/U*U\(^_^ )
Though, judging by your post, there is still some work to be done.

but reading the general points above about drugs and polygamy I have to agree with the pro-doing what is right for you and not what society dictates side.

I think people who are strong and confident in themselves and what they believe and want are for the most part better role models regardless of behaviour / beliefs than people who just follow the social norms blindly, with no true conviction other than that it is expected of them.

I have no idea if Bea is such a person.

Morality shifts. A thousand years ago it was morally OK to have slaves and morally right to beat them if they 'needed it'. Today that is an outrageous idea. Today it is 'morally right' in the eyes of many cultures to have one life partner - but that's entirely subjective.

And to the person who went on about drugs tearing families apart - alcohol abuse is completely legal and I can name five families of people close to me, including my own, that were adversely effected by alcohol - three of which suffered irreparable damage. I can name only one family that suffered similarly due to drug addiction. The two main difference between recreational drug abuse and alcohol abuse is the legal status and that the latter is far more common than the former. Just because something is legal it does not make it OK.

Of course it is possible to partake of and enjoy both recreational drugs and alcohol without abusing them.

Generally speaking though, the most sense in this thread has come from the people saying that looking for a role model among the BB contestants is a futile search - but still, the acedemic discussion is somewhat interesting, what?

Strength, confidence, self-awareness, honesty, autonomy, and authenticity are what I value in others. (Artistry, activism, and passion go a long way too.)

This whole issue of "role models" is, of course, completely subjective. What one considers a 'role model' will be entirely dependent on what they value.

I already live my life according to my own set of values. You can learn -something- from anyone, but I would, personally, be hard pressed to find someone on any television program that I would want to emulate or model something of myself after.
(Maybe in a documentary.)

[loomy]

Legality is currently a factor in the morality of drug use. The drug trade is a major source of funding for gangs and illegal activity in developing parts of the world. And the criminality of gangs results in the death and corruption of thousand upon thousands of young people and adults.

For my part, I do think we should legalise at least some drugs, but whilst they are not legal I think it is wrong to take them