[sotally_tober]

is Noirin a sociopath? she doesnt really consider others feelings and seems to think about her own well being before other people but is she a sociopath?

[Cybele]

Symptoms of being a sociopath (I've bolded the ones that could apply to her):

Glibness and Superficial Charm

Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.


Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."


Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.


Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.


Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.


Incapacity for Love


Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.


Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.


Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.


Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.


Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.


Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.


Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by Cybele
Symptoms of being a sociopath (I've bolded the ones that could apply to her):

Glibness and Superficial Charm

Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.


Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."


Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.


Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.


Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.


Incapacity for Love


Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.


Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.


Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.


Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.


Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.


Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.


Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

[Narc]

I was wondering exactly the same thing... It WOULD make sense... lol

[BitterFruit]

Thank you Cybele for a well-researched and full post

i feel educated and it really does all make sense

[ElProximo]

ElProximo appreciates the OP and some justification.
This was one of the observations I made that led to my ban/counter-ban war with DS (specifically Noirins family) but I have said from the beginning Noirin has classic 'Sociopath' signs.
It really is hard to spot a Sociopath and even psychologists who train to spot such things have a difficulty doing so.
Kenneth is a 'easy example' but I suggest Noirin, when put under the BB microscope becomes just as obvious.

Noirin = Sociopath.

[squinky]

ive said this loads of times but i think she is a narcissist.

[IndigoJo]

Narcissist would be my guess, but then again she is a bit of a control freak at times, so there could be more!

We'll know more when she is grilled by the psychologist, I can't wait!!!!

[Bombardier]

I like how we're throwing medical diagnoses around here, but....

...Yes, definitely!

Also: is Noirin really a horse costume with two midgets inside?

[HarryRag]

sorry to say this..but yes she is

[28thapril]

Yep looks about right to me too can't hide from the evidence pretty well spot on well done cybele

[Vicky.]

Even her fans cant deny it...

[bbisfun]

Originally posted by sotally_tober
is Noirin a sociopath? she doesnt really consider others feelings and seems to think about her own well being before other people but is she a sociopath?

Why should she stay with people she doesnt like, Siavash was a small time fling in the house and she made this clear from the friends statement.

[Shasown]

Am far from a fan of hers, but I think she is a plant by BB used in order to introduce Isaac, not so much him in himself, more the american style of playing the game, a way to see if endemol could manipulate the british public into accepting changes to the BB format used over here to bring it more in line with the US show.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by bbisfun

Why should she stay with people she doesnt like, Siavash was a small time fling in the house and she made this clear from the friends statement.

Check out cybeles post.

Then try to deny it.

[bbisfun]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Check out cybeles post.

Then try to deny it.

I did my dear, and I don’t think she is a "Sociopath" it seems like since people hear the psychologist used that word with Kenneth they have been throwing it around regularly. I mean where you all that sat at home and thought "ohhhhhhhhhhh ahhhhhh a new word". Noirin has only had certain interactions with weird, stalkerish men who she made it clear she had no feelings for. The only guy she remotely showed any mutual feelings for was Siavash and even then she made it clear it wasn’t anything serious. How I see it if you haven’t made any serious bonds how can you exhibit feelings for people you haven’t formed connection with.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by bbisfun

I did my dear, and I don’t think she is a "Sociopath" it seems like since people hear the psychologist used that word with Kenneth they have been throwing it around regularly. I mean where you all that sat at home and thought "ohhhhhhhhhhh ahhhhhh a new word". Noirin has only had certain interactions with weird, stalkerish men who she made it clear she had no feelings for. The only guy she remotely showed any mutual feelings for was Siavash and even then she made it clear it wasn’t anything serious. How I see it if you haven’t made any serious bonds how can you exhibit feelings for people you haven’t formed connection with.

She did not make it clear at all that she wasnt intersted.

And she told siavash they were just friends but continued acting like they were in a relationship. They dropped him the second isaac walked in.

If they were 'friends' and those were infact 'friend kisses' then how come no goodnight smooch tonight?

I think she is more of a narcissist myself, however the definition of a sociopath above, fits her perfectly.

[bbisfun]

Originally posted by VickyJ

She did not make it clear at all that she wasnt intersted.

And she told siavash they were just friends but continued acting like they were in a relationship. They dropped him the second isaac walked in.

If they were 'friends' and those were infact 'friend kisses' then how come no goodnight smooch tonight?

I think she is more of a narcissist myself, however the definition of a sociopath above, fits her perfectly.

She did not make it clear to who that she wasn’t interested? If you are referring to Marcus then I think your very much mistaken. And in regards to Siavash, when someone is kissing you and saying we are just friends I think you should take onboard they are not planning to spend the rest of their life with you and this is perhaps a friends with benefit situation. Believe it or not I have had little liaisons with female friends and when the night was over realised we were not in a relationship and our friendship status was still in tact.................I believe that is called been a grown up.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by bbisfun


She did not make it clear to who that she wasn’t interested? If you are referring to Marcus then I think your very much mistaken. And in regards to Siavash, when someone is kissing you and saying we are just friends I think you should take onboard they are not planning to spend the rest of their life with you and this is perhaps a friends with benefit situation. Believe it or not I have had little liaisons with female friends and when the night was over realised we were not in a relationship and our friendship status was still in tact.................I believe that is called been a grown up.

She did not with marcus to begin with. Even after that continued flirting when she knew he had a weird obsession with her.

And one night stands with friends, usually when drunk...yeah, I have done this myself, however I have never done this, then acted like i was in a relationship with them for 3 days or so...

After the one night it is usually sorted.

You either are in a relationship, or arent. Have one night stands, fair enough, but leading someone totally up the garden path is a big no no. She knew he was totally into her, hell she was even discussing their furture years from now...that is NOT a friend with benefits.

[stickydatepudding]

She's self-absorbed, sure, but I don't know about sociopath.

[bbisfun]

Originally posted by VickyJ

She did not with marcus to begin with. Even after that continued flirting when she knew he had a weird obsession with her.

And one night stands with friends, usually when drunk...yeah, I have done this myself, however I have never done this, then acted like i was in a relationship with them for 3 days or so...

After the one night it is usually sorted.

You either are in a relationship, or arent. Have one night stands, fair enough, but leading someone totally up the garden path is a big no no. She knew he was totally into her, hell she was even discussing their furture years from now...that is NOT a friend with benefits.

She want discussing their future that was Siavash, the kissed on several occasions and she stated we are just friends constantly doesn’t get clearer than that. And the difference between a friends with benefit in the BB house and reality is in one of those you get space while in another your confined in an area 24/7 together.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by bbisfun


She want discussing their future that was Siavash, the kissed on several occasions and she stated we are just friends constantly doesn’t get clearer than that. And the difference between a friends with benefit in the BB house and reality is in one of those you get space while in another your confined in an area 24/7 together.

Well on the LF I saw SHE was also discussing the future. Not just him. He initiated the conversation, but she took part, if she wasnt thinking in the long run then surely she would have said then that they were 'friends with benefits' wouldnt she?

You cant really be friends with benefits in an confined area 24/7 though can you?

As friends with benefits just hook up now and again, when it suits them.

[DiamondDogTags]

I think she has traits of a sociopath but they wouldn't put in a full-blown one onto BB.. unfortunately.

[bbisfun]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Well on the LF I saw SHE was also discussing the future. Not just him. He initiated the conversation, but she took part, if she wasnt thinking in the long run then surely she would have said then that they were 'friends with benefits' wouldnt she?

You cant really be friends with benefits in an confined area 24/7 though can you?

As friends with benefits just hook up now and again, when it suits them.

No she hasn’t discussed the future Siavash has she has only listened to what he has said which doesn’t constitute as a in ten years time convo. Also my point exactly in regards to the Friends with benefit situation, under normal circumstances you wouldn’t be together all the time which makes this situation peculiar.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by bbisfun

No she hasn’t discussed the future Siavash has she has only listened to what he has said which doesn’t constitute as a in ten years time convo. Also my point exactly in regards to the Friends with benefit situation, under normal circumstances you wouldn’t be together all the time which makes this situation peculiar.

Which means in this situation you cannot have friends with benefits.

And she did discuss the future, I clearly remeber her saying soimething about in 5 years time we will be ------- and that is where my mind goes blank. I will remember eventually though, and bump this thread when i do.