[Shasown]

Originally posted by SoFarSoGood282

Just because he's called Isaac doesn't mean he's Jewish...... my friend is called Isaac and he's Catholic So how could she be stupid.... ignorant maybe

It does say he is Jewish on a few of his online profiles for the Real World Sydney, and the follow up reality shows he has been on.

Dont be so quick to criticise, it does not become you SFSG

[Cybele]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run

Given Bea's claim that she didn't know what it meant and that the term does not appear in my Chambers Dictionary, I looked on the net. Here is what I found:-

http://bsornot.whipnet.net/redneck/redneck.defined.html

I was not raised in a redneck atmosphere, however, my father's brother is 100% redneck. He has all of his teeth. He used to be a Sheriff but now works for the US government by flying to disaster sites and helping there (a VERY good job). He likes Nascar. He likes to fish and hunt. He has the equipment to make his own bullets and shotgun shells for the hunting. He has a Gold Wing motorcycle (a VERY redneck motorcycle) which he takes on trips. Here is a pic of a Goldwing like his:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:GoldWing.jpg
He is VERY much a country boy. And yet he has a good job, good hygiene and no children. His lawn is well maintained with no junk cars or anything else. Some rednecks really compete with each other when it comes to perfect green lawns, trust me!

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Originally posted by Cybele

Some rednecks really compete with each other when it comes to perfect green lawns, trust me!

So is Hank Hill a redneck?

[Cybele]

Originally posted by Appearance_Of_A_Junky

So is Hank Hill a redneck?

LOL! Actually, yes.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Originally posted by Cybele

LOL! Actually, yes.

Wicked, I'll get a propane grill going in celebration.

So it Luanne a hillbilly and Lucky is trailer trash?

Can one show have all three?

[Cybele]

Originally posted by Appearance_Of_A_Junky

Wicked, I'll get a propane grill going in celebration.

So it Luanne a hillbilly and Lucky is trailer trash?

Can one show have all three?

Oh heavens, I forgot all about the grilling! My uncle can cook an entire meal on the grill. And he is always smoking turkeys or brisket etc.

I'm afraid that I haven't watched King of the Hill in ages. So I'm not sure about the other characters.

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by loomy
No - she also called him a pikey. Her and Freddie both proceeded to have a smug little laugh about Lisa's life and the fact that she is on benefits when Freddie is as much a scrounger as she is as he he doesn't have a job.

It's blatant snobbism. Words like 'redneck' and 'pikey' imply someone of a low class.

Definitely out of order for Freddie to sneer at unemployed as who knows where he would have been today if he hadn't been born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Everything has been given to him - he hasn't had to earn it - that is obvious. He personally can't take credit for family wealth!

[Hedgie]

Originally posted by Appearance_Of_A_Junky

I get a lot of Jewish slurs against me even though I am not Jewish, but I do support Tottenham that is known as a jewish club (fans even call themselves the Yid Army). I asked if it was an innocent comment or not, the response seemed to be that it was not an innocent comment. So now I could be classed as being subconsciously racist because I questioned someone on a dodgy comment?

Because the initial question asked about redneck being acceptable to use as a label, and some responses have inferred that redneck is also a class issue, low income etc, so therefore, i read it as being 2 seperate statements responding to the redneck question. (now breathe) The way you read it was to immediately ponder on it's innocence. That there has been an issue raised, means you are very aware of the links regarding Jewish folk, and their financial status. Sometimes, comments can be read the wrong way, i just wanted to point it out.

.....I just like interferring in arguments, call me Bea

[Shasown]

Originally posted by Appearance_Of_A_Junky


The stereotype doesn't mean that the have money because they work hard. Its about the fact that in times gone past Jewish people were the only money lenders as it wasn't allowed by Christians. Thats why they are portrayed as money seeking.

That comment is actually worse than the one you are appalled by.

Thats a complete barrel of wan k.

There are in history many many example examples of Christian money lending, the easiest one to use is the Knights Templar. It is agreed by historians that one of the reasons for their demise was because the King of France was up to his eyeballs in debt to the KT, they refused further credit to be used for financing his war against England. So he used his influence with the French born Pope to instigate the heresy charges.

The reasons why Jews became associated with money lending etc is because they were ostracised from society most professions by local rulers, the church and the guilds, they were pushed into marginal occupations considered socially inferior, such as tax and rent collecting and moneylending. This was said to show that Jews were insolent, greedy usurers.

The christian churches simply forbad usury as in charging excessive interests, however a charge could be levied on loans etc to cover expenses the rate of interest was one per cent per month laid down by the First Council of Nicaea in 325

[PooBay]

Yes.

[BBmassive]

Since when was redneck a race ?as racist as "Shilpa Poppadom " pc gone totally mental

[CaPPa]

Originally posted by loomy
No - she also called him a pikey. Her and Freddie both proceeded to have a smug little laugh about Lisa's life and the fact that she is on benefits when Freddie is as much a scrounger as she is as he he doesn't have a job.

It's blatant snobbism. Words like 'redneck' and 'pikey' imply someone of a low class.

Redneck and pikey do indeed indicate that someone is low class. They are not racist terms though.

Freddie isn't a scrounger. He doesn't claim benefits. He doesn't get an allowance from his parents either. All of his spending money he earns himself, whether it be from face painting in a nightclub or one of his business ventures. He has also has had regular jobs, something that Lisa has not for a very long time.

[mrsme]

i dont see how either redneck or pikey is actually offensive. sorry. put the race card away and watch the telly ffs.

[ManicWolf]

Originally posted by BBmassive
Since when was redneck a race ?as racist as "Shilpa Poppadom " pc gone totally mental

This. Redneck is not a race. If it's acceptable call uneduated British people chavs, then the same rule should apply for calling uneducated American people rednecks.

[mrsme]

check out jeff foxworthy !

[mrsme]

http://www.fortogden.com/foredneck.html

[loomy]

Originally posted by CaPPa

Redneck and pikey do indeed indicate that someone is low class. They are not racist terms though.

Freddie isn't a scrounger. He doesn't claim benefits. He doesn't get an allowance from his parents either. All of his spending money he earns himself, whether it be from face painting in a nightclub or one of his business ventures. He has also has had regular jobs, something that Lisa has not for a very long time.

Nope, wrong. I don't whether it was on lf or the hl show where he said he didn't have a job but was living with his parents and so incurred no expenses. He himself admitted he would have signed on if he hadn't been able to live with his parents.

And Lisa had a job until 4 months ago. She has worked her whole life in factories. It's not easy to find a job in a recession; especially when your 41 with no qualifications and the only experience you have is working in a factory - an industry in decline.

[The_Long_Run]

Originally posted by Shasown

Thats a complete barrel of wan k.

There are in history many many example examples of Christian money lending, the easiest one to use is the Knights Templar. It is agreed by historians that one of the reasons for their demise was because the King of France was up to his eyeballs in debt to the KT, they refused further credit to be used for financing his war against England. So he used his influence with the French born Pope to instigate the heresy charges.

The reasons why Jews became associated with money lending etc is because they were ostracised from society most professions by local rulers, the church and the guilds, they were pushed into marginal occupations considered socially inferior, such as tax and rent collecting and moneylending. This was said to show that Jews were insolent, greedy usurers.

The christian churches simply forbad usury as in charging excessive interests, however a charge could be levied on loans etc to cover expenses the rate of interest was one per cent per month laid down by the First Council of Nicaea in 325

Look up Fuggers of Augsburg. They were bankers in the 16th Century.Monumentally rich and Catholic, but look at their association with the Martin Luther the founder of Protestantism.

So, Christians and making HUGE fortunes from money lending. They also built the Fuggerei, the first social housing development in the world (with its own church at the centre of the 'village')

[Shasown]

Originally posted by loomy
And Lisa had a job until 4 months ago. She has worked her whole life in factories. It's not easy to find a job in a recession; especially when your 41 with no qualifications and the only experience you have is working in a factory - an industry in decline.

thats not strictly true Lisa has also worked on premium rate sex chat lines a good few years ago.

(Imagine her whispering sultry terms of encouragement ---- bowk)