[MaratSafinForever]

Originally posted by Tom

I was assuming you were on about the roids discussion, not whether Tom is on them. Its clear he isn't else he'd have unnatural veins and bumps popping out everywhere

Vascularity has nothing to do with steroids, steroids don't target your vascular system. That's down to a low body fat percentage.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by MaratSafinForever

go on it and see then, there is a section for "post your pics" and you are only allowed an avatar of yourself. Pretty much all guys on there have a great physique whether they train for size, for a sport, for strength, whatever.

I've been on it for about 6 months lol, and other bodybuilding forums. I strongly disagree about pretty much all guys on there having a good physique, though. Most of the guys who actually put up photos, do so because they look good. Thousands never do or will, because they don't! Do not be fooled.

[masonbason]

Originally posted by Tom

I was assuming you were on about the roids discussion, not whether Tom is on them. Its clear he isn't else he'd have unnatural veins and bumps popping out everywhere

There are different substances, , growth hormone it has become more sophisticated, to hide the steroid look. People who are on steroids develop veins that big to pump more blood, if he is that big, his veins must be big, but if you take other substances yo can mask that..

[MaratSafinForever]

Originally posted by Fangz

Yes, because all drug users are totally honest about their habits.

You obviously don't have a clue do you, if you're a bodybuilder it's pretty open to say you're on roids, all of the best bodybuilders are on them, they deny it obviously because they will be done in for it. Regular guys wont because it wont be publicized and they won't get thrown behind bars, there are places where it's legal and that's their choice. I'm not for it and think it's pathetic to be honest, I'm not for training for size in general as I think it's utterly pointless.

[LipticBoven]

Yea steriods do nothing to ur veins, the most comman steriods used are syth versions of testosterone, and test doesn't make u look veiny otherwise every1 would start getting veiny when they hit puberty.

[MaratSafinForever]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

I've been on it for about 6 months lol, and other bodybuilding forums. I strongly disagree about pretty much all guys on there having a good physique, though. Most of the guys who actually put up photos, do so because they look good. Thousands never do or will, because they don't! Do not be fooled.

Most guys for however long they have been training for are obviously keen and are on the right path to their goal. I can't complain about that. 90% of the forum put pictures up so I doubt you're even on it, what's your username then?

[masonbason]

You obviously don't have a clue do you, if you're a bodybuilder it's pretty open to say you're on roids, all of the best bodybuilders are on them, they deny it obviously because they will be done in for it. Regular guys wont because it wont be publicized and they won't get thrown behind bars, there are places where it's legal and that's their choice. I'm not for it and think it's pathetic to be honest, I'm not for training for size in general as I think it's utterly pointless. [/quote]

Most of my friends are on roids, and their size has nearly doubled, but they dont look like they are on it. Roiding is pretty common in reactrional bodybuilding cause you are never going to get caught out.

[LipticBoven]

Originally posted by masonbason
You obviously don't have a clue do you, if you're a bodybuilder it's pretty open to say you're on roids, all of the best bodybuilders are on them, they deny it obviously because they will be done in for it. Regular guys wont because it wont be publicized and they won't get thrown behind bars, there are places where it's legal and that's their choice. I'm not for it and think it's pathetic to be honest, I'm not for training for size in general as I think it's utterly pointless.

Most of my friends are on roids, and their size has nearly doubled, but they dont look like they are on it. Roiding is pretty common in reactrional bodybuilding cause you are never going to get caught out. [/quote]

I know a lot of ppl on roids and i have even been offered them a few tiimes at my gym. In england i believe it is also not against the law to own steriods but only to sell them.

[MaratSafinForever]

Originally posted by masonbason
You obviously don't have a clue do you, if you're a bodybuilder it's pretty open to say you're on roids, all of the best bodybuilders are on them, they deny it obviously because they will be done in for it. Regular guys wont because it wont be publicized and they won't get thrown behind bars, there are places where it's legal and that's their choice. I'm not for it and think it's pathetic to be honest, I'm not for training for size in general as I think it's utterly pointless.

Most of my friends are on roids, and their size has nearly doubled, but they dont look like they are on it. Roiding is pretty common in reactrional bodybuilding cause you are never going to get caught out. [/quote]

Yes I've known a couple who have taken steroids and I think it's pretty bad to be honest, there are too many side effects: liver and kidney damage, cholesterol, gyno, mental problems, acne, loss of hair, stunt in growth, immune problems.

It's pointless.

[Tom]

Originally posted by MaratSafinForever

Vascularity has nothing to do with steroids, steroids don't target your vascular system. That's down to a low body fat percentage.

But they increase the blood flow, so veins become more visible. Its a secondary effect. Its a bit like when you're hot or exercising and your veins show much more. Its also why your man bits are supposed to get smaller, which a lot of people write off as a myth

[LipticBoven]

"It's legal to possess or import steroids as long as they're for personal use. But possession or importing with intent to supply (which includes giving them to friends) is illegal and could lead to 14 years in prison and an unlimited fine"

Yea if it wasn't for the sides, im sure i would have used steriods by now, but gyno scares me.

[LipticBoven]

Originally posted by Tom

But they increase the blood flow, so veins become more visible. Its a secondary effect. Its a bit like when you're hot or exercising and your veins show much more. Its also why your man bits are supposed to get smaller, which a lot of people write off as a myth

Ur balls get smaller becuase they stop making testosterone, as ur body can detect there is more then enough test in ur body already.

[MaratSafinForever]

Another myth, steroid increases the amount of red blood cells and obviously increase testosterone levels. There have been no long term studies that indicate that steroid increases blood flow, and that is obviously a very simple instance to test.

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Steroids are the most widely known performance enchancement drug but certainly not the only one. There's plenty more and seriously large guys will use a coctail of substances to get to that size.

[Tom]

Originally posted by MaratSafinForever
Another myth, steroid increases the amount of red blood cells and obviously increase testosterone levels. There have been no long term studies that indicate that steroid increases blood flow, and that is obviously a very simple instance to test.

They do affect blood pressure when taken for a long period of time, hence doctors have to make regular checks and have to prescribe cautiously, when prescription ones are much milder than body building ones. There have also been studies suggesting a slight difference in blood pressure, but returns to normal shortly after stopping taking them (if short term).

[ash2006]

ITS JUST BLATANT HE ON THEM, no point arugein noobs who dont know anything dont make comment, i def can tell when someone on roids right away, they can hide it all they want but i know what a natural way is and how i roid body can look

[Tom]

Originally posted by ash2006
ITS JUST BLATANT HE ON THEM, no point arugein noobs who dont know anything dont make comment, i def can tell when someone on roids right away, they can hide it all they want but i know what a natural way is and how i roid body can look

In English?

[ash2006]

IN simple wordin, TOM ex Housemate is on roids,

[themother]

Originally posted by ash2006
IN simple wordin, TOM ex Housemate is on roids,

This character assassination that some of you persist with is just tiresome! I guess it's just jealousy.....?

Can we just put this to bed once and for all?

TOM IS NOT ON STEROIDS!!

He had an exceptional diet and timings are vital, for example he wont eat carbs after 6pm. He uses protien shake suplimements and he does not work out excessively. (An hour a day of something - at most) He has done so for years and now its just a case of maintenance. There is probably more fat on a chip!!

He's 5' 10", weighs about 13 stone and has a 32 inch waist. He's not actually that big - just very defined - he looks so much larger on the TV than he does in the flesh and thats probably the most common comment he has had from the public since he left the house.

As for his character - he is no different now to how he was as a child!!

[masonbason]

Originally posted by themother

This character assassination that some of you persist with is just tiresome! I guess it's just jealousy.....?

Can we just put this to bed once and for all?

TOM IS NOT ON STEROIDS!!

He had an exceptional diet and timings are vital, for example he wont eat carbs after 6pm. He uses protien shake suplimements and he does not work out excessively. (An hour a day of something - at most) He has done so for years and now its just a case of maintenance. There is probably more fat on a chip!!

He's 5' 10", weighs about 13 stone and has a 32 inch waist. He's not actually that big - just very defined - he looks so much larger on the TV than he does in the flesh and thats probably the most common comment he has had from the public since he left the house.

As for his character - he is no different now to how he was as a child!!

Are u a friend of Tom to know all these details or you are making assumptions?Which is it?

[themother]

No assumptions matey - all facts!

I'm his mother!!!!

[masonbason]

Originally posted by themother
No assumptions matey - all facts!

I'm his mother!!!!

Ok, look i dont know him, i think he looks good not in tht way, cause i go to the gym all the time. I am interested in more of his diet, and the kind of exercises he does. I am sure if he wrote an article or even a book i would be interested cause a lot of my other friends are slightly bigger than me and are roided up cannot achieve what hes done if as you say hes done through natural means.

Hence i started the thread. If you are his mother, do you think you could get some info on the kind of exercises he does etc? and how many times does he work out? What kind of protein ie. whey protein/

[themother]

Perhaps he will write something in due course....

[masonbason]

Originally posted by themother
Perhaps he will write something in due course....

Ok no problem i am telling you if that is natural and its not completely genetics than hes sitting on a goldmine, there are so many people in the fitness industry without that kind of body who are writing and getting well paid for telling people how to bulk up.