[Showstopper]

I'm seeing an awful lot of comments that Bea is ruining Freddie and could possibly cost him victory of BB

Did anyone ever consider that:

Bea is actually bringing out Freddies true personality. She is the most similar person to Freddie in the house after all

or

if he's stupid enough to change his behaviour and atitude and be led into behind the back bitching and arguments by bea, well then he dosent deserve to win big brother and does deserve his fans turning against him

[Libra]

Correct.

But it's just easier for the Freddiephiles to blame Bea rather than have to admit that Freddy is just that weak minded and shallow.

[Showstopper]

I've noticed a vindictive streak in him lately. He was very quick to hop on the Noirin bandwagon yet earlier in the series when he was getting nominated left right and centre he was more then happy to be her friend

[loomy]

Yes, he's just a nasty sheep. Like Kris was to Lisa

[rainey]

halfwit will probably still win just other housemates are getting more popular

[Beastie]

freddie? nasty?? hes anything but nasty!!

[reallynow]

Originally posted by Showstopper
I'm seeing an awful lot of comments that Bea is ruining Freddie and could possibly cost him victory of BB

Did anyone ever consider that:

Bea is actually bringing out Freddies true personality. She is the most similar person to Freddie in the house after all

or

if he's stupid enough to change his behaviour and atitude and be led into behind the back bitching and arguments by bea, well then he dosent deserve to win big brother and does deserve his fans turning against him

Excellent points mate, never thought about that at all, and Freddie has to take responisblity for himself!

Wouldnt trust a hippy ever again in my life!

[Showstopper]

Originally posted by rainey
halfwit will probably still win just other housemates are getting more popular

I'm not so sure - I think people are tiring of him

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Hes actually has not been bitchy he jsut sits their smileing and laughing at everything ****, oh sorry bea says, but i was dissapointed last night witht he whole towel sitation...... god nows it gonig to be the bea show now!

[Beastie]

hes probs a bit nervous and just nodding along to bea because shes a bit lethal!

[Showstopper]

Originally posted by bbfanatic
freddie? nasty?? hes anything but nasty!!

Scrutinise his behaviour more closely. Bitching about people has become a very frequent thing for him.

At the start of the show he said things to peoples face, now he has started saying things behind peoples back

[rainey]

Originally posted by Showstopper

I'm not so sure - I think people are tiring of him

well once bea is up she will be gone or has an argument with zippy/lisa a lot of you will begin to like her.so freddie will most likely win unless he ****s up badly

[loomy]

Originally posted by bbfanatic
hes probs a bit nervous and just nodding along to bea because shes a bit lethal!

so he's weak and won't stand up for what's right? He's pathetic

[Showstopper]

Originally posted by rainey

well once bea is up she will be gone or has an argument with zippy/lisa a lot of you will begin to like her.so freddie will most likely win unless he ***** up badly

But this is my point, what does Bea have to do with Freddie winning?? For me she's irrelvent to him. He's responsible for his own actions

Unfortunately for me he is turning into a very one dimensional character

[greysky]

agree with op .... people don't just change and this is a side of freddie we haven't seen until now ....I think bea is trying to bring out the worse in freddie
so she could have a chance of winning ....I just hope freddie have enough decency and moral to stand up to bea in the coming days... if not siavash will win.

[Showstopper]

One further point on Freddie

At the start of the show he was actively picked on by the majority of the group (led by Kris, Lisa etc). This resulted in him being nominated 5 times. At the time the public threw their support behind him (myself included) and the would be bullies were evicted (Lisa would be gone by now if she had been put up)

Bear in mind Noirin was one of the few to treat Freddie decently

I was therefore quite shocked and disappointed to see him put that towel on and swan off into the diary room with a stupid grin on his face.

He more then anyone else should have known how it feels to be picked on by a group, and it also goes against what he claims he believes in

[albie]

*******wit is a pram. He's a hippy pram full of s***.

Bea is EVIL. Cancer for her.

[minx36]

The problem is that Freddie for all his intelligence and kindness, he is very 'green' and needs to be cautious of other people taking advantage of him!

[Stephanie]

Originally posted by Showstopper
Bear in mind Noirin was one of the few to treat Freddie decently

so noirin treating freddie decently, was him letting her wipe the glasses of then her constantly nominating him, riiiiiight, and calling him a freak and they did have that arguement aswell.

[jegmeister]

I have no problem with the diary room incident - what is wrong with showing support for Marcus who has been a very good friend to him.

Freddie has always been slightly prone to bitching. I think the only difference is that now freddie is bitching much more than before - and yes I agree a lot of that is down to Bea.

But we don't yet know if this will continue or if Freddie will tone this down now that Noirin is out

[Showstopper]

Originally posted by stefani

so noirin treating freddie decently, was him letting her wipe the glasses of then her constantly nominating him, riiiiiight.

Not sure I get your point ?

Firstly Freddie has no idea who nominated him

he does know how he was treated, and by his own admission did not like it and it upset him

my point is to so gleefully do the same thing to someone else is weak

[muchadoaboutnothing]

Originally posted by Showstopper
One further point on Freddie

At the start of the show he was actively picked on by the majority of the group (led by Kris, Lisa etc). This resulted in him being nominated 5 times. At the time the public threw their support behind him (myself included) and the would be bullies were evicted (Lisa would be gone by now if she had been put up)

Bear in mind Noirin was one of the few to treat Freddie decently

I was therefore quite shocked and disappointed to see him put that towel on and swan off into the diary room with a stupid grin on his face.

He more then anyone else should have known how it feels to be picked on by a group, and it also goes against what he claims he believes in

Well said. Freddie has gone down in my estimation (and I have support him 100% all along). He just seems to follow Bea about and does as Bea does. Hira was the only one to speak out against the group going to the DR and she called it mean. Freddie would not normally be taking this kind of action if it wasn't for the influence of Bea. She is bringing him down with her.

[Showstopper]

Originally posted by muchadoaboutnothing
Freddie would not normally be taking this kind of action if it wasn't for the influence of Bea. She is bringing him down with her.

but again that goes back to my original point. He is responcible for his own actions. If he is that easily led, he is a sheep and sheep do not deserve to win big brother

He is also starting to come accross to me as a complete fraud

Also I've never encountered such mean hippies in my life !

[Showstopper]

All she needs to do now is nominate him