[J-Rock]

So many misinformed views.

As another FM has correctly pointed out, panic attacks affect people in many ways.

I have had huge ones during public speaking and despite wanting to run out of the hall, continued with my talk and nobody batted an eyelid.

His body language said it all - HE WAS IN PROPER DISTRESS

Get over it - panic attack, smamic attack - does it matter? The guy was broken down by a type of woman I have never come across before. He will recover, but was in turmoil...

[Prole]

Originally posted by J-Rock
So many misinformed views.

As another FM has correctly pointed out, panic attacks affect people in many ways.

etc. etc. etc.

My favourite post tonight.

[fallenkal]

I'm a doctor in real life and I'm not touching the issue with a ten foot pole. Misinformation is running riot tonight.

People should simply unite and agree that he was very upset.

[ManicWolf]

Exactly! I'm sick of this "I suffer/know someone that suffers from panic attacks, and Freddie was not having one" posts. Panic attacks effect people in different ways, and can come in different forms too. I'm surprised that everyone who has panic attacks on here, but claims Freddie was faking, seems to be ignorant of that fact.

[ElProximo]

Originally posted by J-Rock
So many misinformed views.

As another FM has correctly pointed out, panic attacks affect people in many ways.

I have had huge ones during public speaking and despite wanting to run out of the hall, continued with my talk and nobody batted an eyelid.

His body language said it all - HE WAS IN PROPER DISTRESS

Get over it - panic attack, smamic attack - does it matter? The guy was broken down by a type of woman I have never come across before. He will recover, but was in turmoil...

There is not such thing as a Panic 'attack' and I make a point of opening with that so I can clarify it is a 'response'.
Nobody is being 'attacked'.
The real problem here is when we mistakenly believe we are being attacked and there is a threat to our safety.

For thousands of years Panic Response has saved the lives of human being around the world.
Still does in traffic danger, home fires etc.

Really (and very well studied) the physiological 'action plan' of a Panic response is just about identical for every human being on the planet.
Brain interprets threat to life and limb and flips the switch,
adrenalin dump
heart speeds up, chest tightens, quick shallow breathing, blood rushed out of non-essential abdomen (butterflies sensation btw) into the limbs which may begin to 'twitch' and shake with power. cooling system fires for impending fight or flight with perspiration.
Even more cool things happen less noticeable like eyes narrowing focus.
Really amazing stuff and even more amazing how quickly it can happen. undoubtedly many if not most of us would not be alive today had our ancestors not had and used this response.

What we actually do with it when there is no actual tiger, fire, physical threat on life does seem to vary yes.
When you were public speaking you didn't actually have anywhere to run so you might have felt your knees shaking and tried to stretch off all that power in them.
Here is one really cool thing about panic response in public speaking:
Coincidently, one of the best ways to 'burn off' an unnecessary and unused panic response is to 'exhale' more so than inhaling.
This is something that most people end up doing or can do or can take advantage of speaking.

One of the WORST things people can do to try and deal with the effects of an unused panic response is, unfortunately, encouraged by well-meaning friends who believe they are 'hyper-ventilating' and should then sit, lean their head over and INhale as much oxygen as possible.
Good intentions but ends up making everything much much worse.
In fact the person was, naturally, upping their oxygen and didn't burn it off and now needs to get back to balance by slow inhales to even longer exhales.
Anyways...

...The most surprising thing (to most people) is how intense they themselves felt but how unnoticeable it was to everyone else.
You may very well have asked a friend after the speech if they could tell you were just dying up there and were so nervous and shaking.. ..and they said you looked perfectly calm and great.
Nobody else noticed either. Nobody.

Yes I do work with people having panic 'attacks' on a nearly daily basis in case your wondering why I think I know so much about it etc etc.
But if you do dig into this subject for a while and meet enough people having problems with it you can find out most of this is not that complicated.
Its just that we tend to use the term loosely and most (and why would they) are not sure what is happening etc.

Freddy:
Now if I'm so smart then was Freddy having a 'Panic Attack' or something else?
Well I just saw the same 10 second clip everyone else did yesterday but..
...my first issue is that I think Freddy is brain damaged and 'very fukked up' almost certainly from drug use and abuse and IF that was to be a 'panic attack' you are looking at a retarded panic response.
He is extremely upset but I don't recall any short shallow rapid breaths, fidgeting or restless limbs and crying is not uncommon AFTER a panic response (so is laughing).
But definitely not as a first response.
This all goes back to why I find him very disturbing. He has strange inappropriate responses.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by fallenkal
I'm a doctor in real life and I'm not touching the issue with a ten foot pole. Misinformation is running riot tonight.

People should simply unite and agree that he was very upset.

Dont know how you ever qualified if this is true.

[fallenkal]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Dont know how you ever qualified if this is true.

Because I watch reality TV? Or the fact that I enjoy it?

[mike888]

Whichever way you look at it then he needs to be medically assessed to see if he is mentally fit enough to remain in the house. Surely no one can disagree with that.

[fallenkal]

Originally posted by mike888
Whichever way you look at it then he needs to be medically assessed to see if he is mentally fit enough to remain in the house. Surely no one can disagree with that.

I do.

[mike888]

Obviously the lunatics have taken over the asylum..... Night

[ElProximo]

Oh I just watched it again.
Yea that is just anger.
Pure frustration exploding into angry. intense anger.
Well... I mean in a sense that is some shared physiological responses but no that is not a 'panic attack'.
Its called 'very angry' lol

[fallenkal]

Originally posted by ElProximo
Oh I just watched it again.
Yea that is just anger.
Pure frustration exploding into angry. intense anger.
Well... I mean in a sense that is some shared physiological responses but no that is not a 'panic attack'.
Its called 'very angry' lol

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but there is no way to rule out the possibility of a genuine panic attack.

[ElProximo]

Originally posted by fallenkal

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but there is no way to rule out the possibility of a genuine panic attack.

Yes, and there is no way to rule out the possibility Freddy was having a genuine orgasm.
That can be someones opinion too.
but,
No, that is not a 'panic attack' at all. Sorry.
Its called intense anger.
Its just anger. Built up frustration exploding into anger.