[RCW1945]

Your "essay" was well constucted, fine for spelling and grammar but failed to recognize one very important fact.
Freddie has been, and it would seem remains, very popular with the viewers. These folk must contain a high proportion of the lower intelligence and social class than Freddie which you refer to amongst the HMs.
You make no attempt to analyse why this much larger sample have not reacted in the same way as the small sample in the house.

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by RCW1945
Your "essay" was well constucted, fine for spelling and grammar but failed to recognize one very important fact.
Freddie has been, and it would seem remains, very popular with the viewers. These folk must contain a high proportion of the lower intelligence and social class than Freddie which you refer to amongst the HMs.
You make no attempt to analyse why this much larger sample have not reacted in the same way as the small sample in the house.

he's not that popular outside compaired to other hm

[jet]

Originally posted by RCW1945
Your "essay" was well constucted, fine for spelling and grammar but failed to recognize one very important fact.
Freddie has been, and it would seem remains, very popular with the viewers. These folk must contain a high proportion of the lower intelligence and social class than Freddie which you refer to amongst the HMs.
You make no attempt to analyse why this much larger sample have not reacted in the same way as the small sample in the house.

Good point. I think initially he was popular with the public because he was so 'different' and a natural target for the others because of his privileged background - which he played on to the hilt as a 'victim', I believe.
He put on a 'laid back' and gentle front which was his suit of amour to shield himself from criticism, which we now know he can't handle well.
Many people like to root for the 'underdog' - and Freddie got it hard in the house because the people there were actually LIVING with him 24/7 and they were the ones who had to put up with his infuriating condescending and irritating manner - not the public.
I do think that the public now understand how the other HM's viewed him....but Bea has gone beyond the limits with her cruel exposure of his insecurities, to such an extent that it will maybe work in his favour.

[moonballoon]

Brilliant thread ...

BB is now fascinating viewing, (I think) ... and thanks Jet for putting more articulately than I could many of my own views.

[ange7]

Originally posted by arsenalforever
Freddie is staying now and might even win it thanks to Bea

lol so Bea is responsible for his fall from grace and now is responsible for a boost in his popularity?

Love how Freddie fans pin the blame on everyone but Freddie.
"oooooo evil bea" lol

[fallenkal]

Originally posted by jet
My honest opinion is that I think Freddie thought he could go into the house and use his ‘superior’ intelligence to outwit fellow HM’s and put in a running commentary of his ‘observations’ of them and their actions to influence the public. He wants to go into politics - what better way to show he was astute, on - the - ball intellectually and a good candidate for a political career?
He under - estimated the down to earth and street wise smarts of the HM’s who hadn’t experienced the benefits of his superior education and privileged lifestyle.
What we are seeing is Freddie’s value system and belief in it being peeled away, layer by layer. It started a long time before Bea came in. His condescension and arrogance were all too apparent, and it got the backs up of most of the HM’s who were nominating him week after week. He managed to take on board how he was irritating people and cranked it back a notch, but he couldn’t let go of his ‘game plan’ and feelings of being cleverer than the rest of them. But by this stage he was getting paranoid, and paranoia has been a large part of his downfall in the house. He managed to co - exist with everyone though, because in his mind the people who didn’t ‘get him’ were inferior to him.
Then, when Bea arrived, and he thought he had found an ‘ally’ in her, his cockiness once again rose to the surface. The night he mocked and taunted Lisa and tried to degrade David was a glimpse of a Freddie that people didn’t recognize - and many didn’t like it. Then when someone of his own class and on an intellectual par with him (Bea) showed her disdain of him, this was the final blow. He could accept disdain and maybe even what he seen as envy from people he regarded as below him in social status, but not from someone who he considered as his equal. That was too much for him to take.

The bottom line is I don’t think Freddie was ever a confident, positive or happy person. I think he felt that he was a fish out of water because his upbringing gave him a certain protection and he wanted to ‘mix’ with the ‘common people’ to give him an insight into their lives to further his ‘political aspirations’. (Which were doomed from the start).
Well, he’s mixed with them now, and I think he will come out of the BB house liking the common people more than when he went in. It will be good for him.

I agree with pretty much everything you said. Although I think the show will give a nice boost to his political career.

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by ANTCOLONY

HES ON YOUR SIDE, HARRY

ahahaha. this is precisely the reason tibb is so tremendously **** for BB discussion as it is peppered with immature twats with poor grammar and a tendency to get so involved with the housemates that they create a divide with people who disagree with them

[zukhov]

BB is more likley to kill his political carreer than to enhance it.

[mother6]

Agree with your observations Jet.

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by jet
My honest opinion is that I think Freddie thought he could go into the house and use his ‘superior’ intelligence to outwit fellow HM’s and put in a running commentary of his ‘observations’ of them and their actions to influence the public. He wants to go into politics - what better way to show he was astute, on - the - ball intellectually and a good candidate for a political career?
He under - estimated the down to earth and street wise smarts of the HM’s who hadn’t experienced the benefits of his superior education and privileged lifestyle.
What we are seeing is Freddie’s value system and belief in it being peeled away, layer by layer. It started a long time before Bea came in. His condescension and arrogance were all too apparent, and it got the backs up of most of the HM’s who were nominating him week after week. He managed to take on board how he was irritating people and cranked it back a notch, but he couldn’t let go of his ‘game plan’ and feelings of being cleverer than the rest of them. But by this stage he was getting paranoid, and paranoia has been a large part of his downfall in the house. He managed to co - exist with everyone though, because in his mind the people who didn’t ‘get him’ were inferior to him.
Then, when Bea arrived, and he thought he had found an ‘ally’ in her, his cockiness once again rose to the surface. The night he mocked and taunted Lisa and tried to degrade David was a glimpse of a Freddie that people didn’t recognize - and many didn’t like it. Then when someone of his own class and on an intellectual par with him (Bea) showed her disdain of him, this was the final blow. He could accept disdain and maybe even what he seen as envy from people he regarded as below him in social status, but not from someone who he considered as his equal. That was too much for him to take.

The bottom line is I don’t think Freddie was ever a confident, positive or happy person. I think he felt that he was a fish out of water because his upbringing gave him a certain protection and he wanted to ‘mix’ with the ‘common people’ to give him an insight into their lives to further his ‘political aspirations’. (Which were doomed from the start).
Well, he’s mixed with them now, and I think he will come out of the BB house liking the common people more than when he went in. It will be good for him.

Well said! I have said much the same in other threads and agree with every word you say!!

[HERBERTSTOWN]

VERY GOOD OP, YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD, DO ONE ON MARCUS NOW.
THERE'S AN OLD SAYING, IF YOU WANT TO GET TO KNOW ME COME AND LIVE WITH ME,WELL THANKS BUT NO THANKS FREDDIE, NOT IN THE BB HOUSE, OR THE OUTSIDE WORLD
:

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by fallenkal

I agree with pretty much everything you said. Although I think the show will give a nice boost to his political career.

What political career? Don't get me wrong - I do feel for Freddie - he isn't a bad person - but he has been arrogant!

He simply doesn't have what it takes to be a successful politician - it is one of the bitchiest and most back-stabbing of professions - he would never survive!!

Excellent communication skills are essential for politicians - as is the ability to remain calm and think quickly!

He needs to re-think his future plans!

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by LisaFan!
I wouldn't worry Jet. The forums attract the nerds and weirdos in the main, so expect them to like the nerds/weirdos/fakers/losers, because they are clinging on for dear life.

Charlie's 40, 000 + facebook fans vs 100 TiBB fans and 200 DS fans.

Hahahaha, I love the general wider vote and chav vote, always makes the legit people win. If they're popular generally, they're popular on BB.

Halfwit/Marcus/Siavash are a joke. They are short, ugly, hairy, pervy men who are nerdy, weird, obsessive and analyse EVERYTHING.

Nobody cares for them in real life, these types are laughed at by regular folk.

Charlie and Sophie are popular generally, they are the types people love to hang and chill with. In a nightclub, people go towards these. Because they are part of the cool gang, and always will be.

Nerds tend to run online, because they are ostracized from society, and smaller in number.

Very good! You took the words from my mouth - and probably many others!

Except do like Siavash - although disappointed in some of his behaviour! Still trying to give him the benefit of the doubt!

[Entervoice]

Originally posted by siavashmmm
your essay is more boring than Beas haircut and less original than sophies twins.

lol

[RCW1945]

Jet
I have to say that I admire your writing style and the cool reasoned points you put forward, a charateristic sadly lacking on this board.
However, that does not stop me disagreeing with your interpretation of the Freddie situation.
"Many people like to root for the 'underdog' - and Freddie got it hard in the house because the people there were actually LIVING with him 24/7 and they were the ones who had to put up with his infuriating condescending and irritating manner - not the public."
This assumes that he was "infuriating......." rather than the others found him so because they were bewildered and overawed by a person who was outside their usual experience. Their only reaction to this stressful situation was to attack his person.
I did not find his behaviour during the first five weeks to involve any of the faults which you listed. Furthermore the public votes would suggest that my view is the one supported by the majority.
By the way, as I explained on another thread (Why do I like Freddie?), Freddie's background etc makes him a very unlikely recipient of my support.