[olliebeak]

So, let me get this straight (no pun intended, honest).........

Charlie wants to become a father.
He wants this to happen while he's still quite young.
He's gay.


So, what he really wants is to become a 'sperm donor' for a woman who wants to be a 'single mother' and thus become a 'part-time father'?

Or does he envisage a 'relationship of convenience' where he shares a home-life with a woman and child/children while both of them feel free to pursue romantic relationships outside the family home?


I'm really sorry Charlie, even with the very best of intentions, I can see somebody getting hurt eventually - no matter how much you want children.

Children are NOT a life-style accessory like a new mobile phone, latest pair of trainers or the newest piece of technology - they actually DESERVE a life-time commitment (meaning the parents lifetimes not just their own) from at least one, preferrably BOTH, parents.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Originally posted by olliebeak
So, let me get this straight (no pun intended, honest).........

Charlie wants to become a father.
He wants this to happen while he's still quite young.
He's gay.


So, what he really wants is to become a 'sperm donor' for a woman who wants to be a 'single mother' and thus become a 'part-time father'?

Or does he envisage a 'relationship of convenience' where he shares a home-life with a woman and child/children while both of them feel free to pursue romantic relationships outside the family home?


I'm really sorry Charlie, even with the very best of intentions, I can see somebody getting hurt eventually - no matter how much you want children.

Children are NOT a life-style accessory like a new mobile phone, latest pair of trainers or the newest piece of technology - they actually DESERVE a life-time commitment from at least one, preferrably BOTH, parents.

I fell bad for the kid!

[BlackOrWhite]

Originally posted by olliebeak
So, let me get this straight (no pun intended, honest).........

Charlie wants to become a father.
He wants this to happen while he's still quite young.
He's gay.


So, what he really wants is to become a 'sperm donor' for a woman who wants to be a 'single mother' and thus become a 'part-time father'?

Or does he envisage a 'relationship of convenience' where he shares a home-life with a woman and child/children while both of them feel free to pursue romantic relationships outside the family home?


I'm really sorry Charlie, even with the very best of intentions, I can see somebody getting hurt eventually - no matter how much you want children.

Children are NOT a life-style accessory like a new mobile phone, latest pair of trainers or the newest piece of technology - they actually DESERVE a life-time commitment (meaning the parents lifetimes not just their own) from at least one, preferrably BOTH, parents.

What a load of sh1t, how many women every day do this. But suddenly when a man wants to do it, no, no, no, no, no. No, I'm not gay or sticking up for Charlie etc. just for what's right. Some people really do need to open their minds.

[lucifer1968]

What is the difference, do you think, between a heterosexual couple conceiving "just to get a child", and, for example, a couple consisting of two homosexual males enlisting the assistance of a happy and willing female surrogate in order to have a child?



you can't have your cake and eat it

people have accepted his way off life.he should accept the FACT that two males DONT HAVE children

[BlackOrWhite]

Originally posted by lucifer1968


people have accepted his way off life.he should accept the FACT that two males DONT HAVE children

They do! There's no difference between a heterosexual couple that can't have children doing something to get a baby than their is a gay couple doing it.

[biggiupdee]

Originally posted by BB22

Actually I had made no moral judgement on any matter in any of my posts, as anyone who reads this thread can freely observe. As I pointed out, we were discussing what it is you think on the matter and I was asking a series of questions to clarify your position precisely.

Now, let's move on with that.

What is the difference, do you think, between a heterosexual couple conceiving "just to get a child", and, for example, a couple consisting of two homosexual males enlisting the assistance of a happy and willing female surrogate in order to have a child?

[BB22]

Originally posted by lucifer1968
What is the difference, do you think, between a heterosexual couple conceiving "just to get a child", and, for example, a couple consisting of two homosexual males enlisting the assistance of a happy and willing female surrogate in order to have a child?



you can't have your cake and eat it

people have accepted his way off life.he should accept the FACT that two males DONT HAVE children

Well, we have already established that you have no objection to gay males adopting children. You said that in an earlier post. Yet there seems to be some conflict between that statement and your latest post.

Let's clarify your position:

You have no moral objection to gay males adopting children.

You have no moral objection to heterosexual couples conceiving using insemination techniques.

You do have a moral objection to homosexuals employing a willing female to act as a surrogate and employing insemination techniques to conceive a child.

A further question: let us imagine a heterosexual couple, in which the female is unable to bear and carry a child, would you have any moral objection to said couple employing a willing female to act as a surrogate and employing insemination techniques to conceive a child, which would be carried by the surrogate but raised by the couple?

[lucifer1968]

Originally posted by BlackOrWhite

They do! There's no difference between a heterosexual couple that can't have children doing something to get a baby than their is a gay couple doing it.

man and woman = child
man and man = sore bottom

[biggiupdee]

Originally posted by lucifer1968

man and woman = child
man and man = sore bottom

women are taking it up the b-m now adays LOL

[BlackOrWhite]

Originally posted by lucifer1968

man and woman = child
man and man = sore bottom

You've completely ignored what I said because you know you're completely wrong. Do you have a problem with surrogacy when a heterosexual couple can't have children?

[lucifer1968]

:l augh2:

[BlackOrWhite]

Originally posted by lucifer1968
:l augh2:

You're a *****ing idiot, I'm done with trying to reason with you. Pathetic.

[Nigeria_Bob]

Originally posted by lucifer1968

man and woman = child
man and man = sore bottom

+ karma

[olliebeak]

Originally posted by BlackOrWhite

What a load of sh1t, how many women every day do this. But suddenly when a man wants to do it, no, no, no, no, no. No, I'm not gay or sticking up for Charlie etc. just for what's right. Some people really do need to open their minds.

I agree with you - too many WOMEN do this as well without thinking about it first.

I will repeat that it's not right - for ANYBODY to deliberately put their own 'desire to have a child' before the long-term need for the child to have life-long love and stability.

[mangasatsuma]

What a lot of talk stemming from a fairly vague statement by Charlie. He can't actually have a child until he gets through puberty....

[BBfan46]

Originally posted by lucifer1968

so you think he should get a girl pregnant just so he can have children that end up on jeremy kyle

You are insecure. Charlie FTW

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by olliebeak

I agree with you - too many WOMEN do this as well without thinking about it first.

I will repeat that it's not right - for ANYBODY to deliberately put their own 'desire to have a child' before the long-term need for the child to have life-long love and stability.

Little point being rational with the willfully irrational but you make good posts.

[Dolphin-and-Whale]

Not trying to be controversial but I don't agree with gay parents. 2 gay men raising a child isn't right imo

[CaudleHalbard]

does Charlie know he's GAY?

I think the fact that he won Mr Gay Newcastle 2007 and was runner up in Mr Gay UK, may have given Charlie a bit of a clue about his sexuality.

[lisank]

I don't see a problem with Charlie being gay and having kids. I actually think the problem is he is still a kid himself - he needs to do some growing up before even considering becoming a parent. Imagine his child throwing a tantrum during 'the terrible twos', what is he going to do maybe immatate it and wind it up, then say 'I didn't do anything' like he does with Rodrego, who, lets face it, behaves like a two year old!

[DaniBoi]

Turkey baster.

[kisywisy]

i'm actually suprised there are still people that think this is wrong!! the OP seems to be very immature.

as long as the child has parents/parent to love and raise the child, there is no problem.

if infertile couples can 'cheat' nature by conceiving through IVF etc, then so should gay couples.

[CaraRawr]

:| He can adopt?

[BlackOrWhite]

Originally posted by kisywisy
i'm actually suprised there are still people that think this is wrong!! the OP seems to be very immature.

as long as the child has parents/parent to love and raise the child, there is no problem.

if infertile couples can 'cheat' nature by conceiving through IVF etc, then so should gay couples.

Completely agree. And if women who are 60, 70 some even nearing 80 years old can now have children, why can't people of different sexual interests, which is all it is, a different interest. It doesn't reflect on someones parenting skills in any way.

[Braden]

god charlie is weird