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Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

No, you're really way off the mark here, I'm actually gobsmacked.

You cannot say that history doesn't matter because we live today, that's a totally nonsense argument. History pervades everything of today, every second is founded upon the previous second. We are a product of history, the past determines the future.

And another key thing. Yes, racism to a white person is still racism. But my point is, you can't just be racist to him by simply mocking his accent. There's no inference, there's no history of prejudice that it implies. There's no deep-rooted suffering or inferiority implied by it. It's just a cheap dig.

Or you could say, that it is VERY midly racist, and MUCH less so than the reverse of mocking an Indian accent. The potentiality of offense is much greater because of what it implies and infers.

Tell a white guy he'd make a good sugar cane farmer.
Tell a black guy he'd make a good sugar cane farmer.

Do you get it yet? It's racist in one case, not in the other. And yes, because of history. YOU CAN'T IGNORE HISTORY for benefits. Sorry.

I can't believe all that is being spouted here by AhmedFan2004.

You do tend to twist things to make sure that it fits your argument. however you are totally correct in the fact that you cannot ignore History.

It seems that most people who scream racism do so mainly at the Western people.

They bring up the slavery of the US as their prime example.

History has shown that there was misguided interference by the Spanish invading the USA and in conjunction with the English trying to change the Native Americans by clothing them and trying to change their religious beliefs among many more atrocities - WRONG!!!!!

The colonisation of Australia by the English. Sending criminals to prison camps not taking any consideration to the natives who already inhabited this Country. WRONG!!! at the time, but has since benefitted in being a great Nation who seem to have the utmost respect for their Native Countrymen.

The colonisation of India by the English. Misguided and WRONG!!!

The treatment of the slaves brought from Africa by the Americans - the worse of all the examples - WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!! Again brought on by ignorance of the period that was the beginnings of a culture.

There has been notes of slavery since time began, there will always be someone stronger.

As it happens now, there is no longer slavery of this kind and mercifully most Countries are allowed to be left in peace to believe in what they want.

This is where all the anti-racist people stop agreeing with me, because there is truth on many angles, some they like to hear and some they don't.

But this is where History pulls away from the atrocities of the extremists of the Western World over a matter of a few hundred years for each example and then we move to the atrocities that surround the Indian, Pakistani & Arabian world - The extremists of the Muslim Culture.

For the last 1430 years of the Muslim calendar there have been atrocities that have far outpaced what the Western world have done. The Culture believes not in the freedom of choice and anybody who does not want to conform to their beliefs are disposed of in some pretty awful manner. Decapitation seems to be an all time favourite.

History shows this over time. Whereas savagery has got less in all other societies, it seems that in the extreme Muslim society it has only gotten worse. It is sad to see that racism is alive and well within this culture and is not limited to just a single Country and its' people, but towards the whole non-Muslim world. These people are the true racists with inbred hatred to anyone not like them.

I welcome a multi-cultural world, and if I went to a different Country to live I would try to blend in to their way of life but also keep my own sense of the identity I was brought up with, whereas I think that anybody who moves to the UK or any other country should do the same, abide by the rules and laws of that Country and try to interfere with these.

I am not racist, but the way people speak so negatively about my Country whilst enjoying the benefit of what the Country gives them makes me extremely angry.

Let me give you a little history of my life and our racist problems. I am a patriotic Welsh girl. I speak the language and love it's history. The Welsh have been mercilessly picked on by our own Countrymen since the Saxons came here. Welsh is the oldest language in Europe, dating back at least 2500 years and initially all of Wales and most of England spoke the Ancient Welsh dialect. Then with the Saxon's invasion and the years that surpassed gave birth to the overburdening superiorities that were the Ancient English. The Welsh language nearly died out in the 19th century, due to a belief that English was superior, and was the only language which should be used throughout the British Empire.

A report of 1847, written by three English barristers who did not speak one word of Welsh between them, castigated Welsh culture in general, and Welsh schools in particular. It largely ignored the problems of poverty, deprivation, and poor housing, but determined that the problem with under performing Welsh schools lay with the Welsh language.

Our children ended up being chastised and beaten for speaking our native tongue in the schools. Our identity was slowly being being beaten into submission.

As a child I was bullied by local children (and some of the parents) for being Welsh. I still have to defend my language at times from other "Welsh" people who deem to think that's what they are because they live here, like the sterophonics and Tom Jones and follow the National Rugby team, but never once tried to learn the language or it's true heritage.

But we don't scream racist or jump on the racism bandwagon. We fight for our rights with courage and determination, hence now the Welsh language in on the up, we have bi-lingual street signs and more and more Welsh schools are being built and have a healthy waiting list of families desperate for their children to have the education that it provides.

Our accents are mimicked by many, either in jest or in malice, but if we walked into a police station to complain, we would get nowhere.

So what makes us different to the Indian person who's voice gets mimicked. It comes down to the politically correct crap pussyfooting state that we all live in. Scared to say boo to a goose. Hence the word racist has become overused and diluted by the small minded people who throw it in at every chance. racist isn't the mimicking of an accent, racist is for example, the KKK's beliefs that anyone who isn't white is wrong, it is the belief that anyone who doesn't follow the Muslim religion is wrong, it is the person of one culture who beats up another BECAUSE of their opposite culture that is wrong.

The main culprit of Racism is religion, hence I have no religion. I prefer it that way.

This is way to early on a Monday for me to be preaching my opinions, but these are my opinions and I strongly stand by them. I have friends who are Indian, Serbian, Chinese, Italian and Egyptian. We have had many chats over a glass or two of wine, where we all end up agreeing that it is a handful of extremists of every culture that breed racism.

Most people are happy to live in peace if just left to it.

I am sure there will be many people who will now come back on this post with animosity towards me, hell I may even get banned from here, but I feel I had to write this because reading all the was being said on here was making me so angry.

Stop using the word RACIST and RACISM on a whim, it is a strong word and should only be used for extreme purposes.

History will be something that will teach us where we went wrong, but it seems that society will keep making the same mistake over and over again.