[scot]

Originally posted by McNab
i can't believe people are judging someone on their strength over an arm wrestle and a oiled up wrestle. Builders, window fitters, scaffolders all are the workmen build but will be stronger in different areas of their bodies depending on what they daily job entiles.

Having done scaffolding myself i know it requires upper back strength and alot of strength in your wrist forearms and upper arms (depending on how you prefer to carry the poles)

The lads i worked with and other lads i know from the job pretty much carry everything on their shoulders.

Arm wrestling needs strength but it also requires alot of technique as well. He went up against someone who hits the gym an awful lot. He works all areas of his body so will be stronger. Given none of them arm wrestle alot you can safely say they both have no technique.

In the pool they both were oiled up the bottom of the pool was very slippery so marcus could have pushed all his strength against roddy and all they strength would of disappeared into the slide against the bottom of the pool as he had no base in which to support his push.

Siavash looked like he had either wrestled before or was naturally good as he kept his natural center of gravity low and always kept his grip around their waist which again is a good center of gravity to keep when your that low down.

Rant over

agreed...have made similar points re builders before but the OP dont get it...

[Shasown]

Originally posted by scot

agreed...have made similar points re builders before but the OP dont get it...

Dont think the Op will ever agree to see marcus in anything but the contempt she feels he deserves. You have to love prejudice

[scot]

Originally posted by Shasown

Dont think the Op will ever agree to see marcus in anything but the contempt she feels he deserves. You have to love prejudice

her relentless hatred of Marcus is v strange, almost pathalogical(sp). It's even a bit creepy etc. shudder.

[BB22]

Yes, it is the relentlessness that is most disturbing.

[Blasphemer]

The marcus hatred is strong in this thread.

[30stone]

Like ive said before i put some marcus fans and some haters in the same group lol.

[Vicky.]

This post is hilarious...as is the fact that people seem to reckon marcus is a weakling because he lost a wrestling match covered in baby oil..

Wrestling is more about technique than strength...I thought that was pretty obvious...obviously not to some people.

Having said that, Im not trying to make out that marcus is stronger than siavash, we wouldnt know that, but marcus is certainly not the 8year old girl type that you lot are trying to make out...just because he lost this task.

The lengths some people will go to to try and discredit marcus is just laughable really.

But well done to Siavash anyway

[farhad]

The thing is, siavash knew the skills to defeat marcus, or else why wasn't siavash out of the ring, he used his strength to suplex him and just locked him so marcus cant get out.

[ElProximo]

Originally posted by scot
I stand by my analysis of you...I think it is very probably accurate. You have picked out a few lines from my previous post but you have steered well clear of the actual body of the analysis itself.
This is a common avoidance trait amongst people with 'issues' when those same issues are 'outed'.
You admit yourself that you identify with Marcus? If i got that right then why not the 'issues' you have?
You should read R. D. Laing's - The Divided Self. and also Sanity, Madness and the Family. It may help you.
Of course Laing's gig re the family(and perhaps by extension wider society)being the deciding factor re mental health is largely out of favour these days. But it might be a good starting point for you.
There is also the vibe that you might be some kind of feminist, but of the outdated 1st/2nd wave type. That is so pre 1990 and largely superceded by smarter go-getter type feminists. Have a look at some of the third wave feminist stuf out there both as related to serious academic thought and in popular culture.

Oh there is a much simpler reason for my disapproval of Marcus:
I strongly disapprove of sneaky behavior, lying, gossiping, cowardice and bad humour.
Easy.

[charmingmissc]

Originally posted by ElProximo

Oh there is a much simpler reason for my disapproval of Marcus:
I strongly disapprove of sneaky behavior, lying, gossiping, cowardice and bad humour.
Easy.

yet you support lisa

[ElProximo]

Originally posted by charmingmissc

yet you support lisa

That is correct.
Even if Lisa was close to the liar, hypocrite, passive-aggressive little Don't try to get past the swear filter that Marcus is,
even if,
It is better to call one wrongdoer (Marcus) and we can work on the others later.
But Marcus is up now and is by far the worst offender with few redeeming qualities.

Lisa is straight-forward, honest, gruff sometimes but redeems herself with everyone.
She is good people.

Marcus is a sneaky little a-hole full of contempt. That is all the reason needed to dislike him.