[arista]

Yes very True
VickyJ.


You are most wise.

[MassiveTruck]

[rquote=2598577&tid=143385&author=VickyJ][rquote=2597975&tid=143385&author=florence33][rquote=2586685&tid=143385&author=VickyJ]I dont believe in god, life after death, fate, or any of that cr*p to be honest. When you die, thats it, you get eaten by worms or blow around the world in tiny pieces forever more...I believe in the big bang theory, and evolution, but fate, is nothing but a nice story. Same as the bible, I believe that it was written as a story book, it got into some deluded persons hands, and they took it for real. Jesus was one hell of an author, but not the son of god.[/rquote] Really, I think that if everyone believe that God don't exists, this world would be a very dangerous place. After all, what do you have to lose? It's real easy to act like a jackass.[/rquote]

The world is a more dangerous place because of religion. A lot of wars have occurred because of it, and lots of people have died for it. So how would the world be a dangerous place without it?

And you think Im acting like a jackass because I have different views than you? Speaks for itself really.[/rquote]

I think Vicky the world is far more dangerous because of politics using Religion and misinterpreting it.

For instance terrorism - is largely controlled by underworld crime using Religion. The Taliban for instance, are huge drug smugglers. They found the second largest shipment of drugs ever in Afghanistan a while back - Marijuana, Coke and obviously Heroin. The Taliban basically use this (Religion) as a front and that the West are infidels.

This is financed by the Saudi families who are interested in pushing oil and their interests and using Islam, misinterpreting it for self benefit.

Other areas are the use of politics among Christians to get votes. Scaring parents about their kids getting diseases, pregnant if they don't believe in God and then saying vote for us and we'll get you a vote. A lot of this is governed by Religion.

Unfortunately, we rarely hear about the masses and masses of people who find faith and a future in their religion. In Africa for instance it's a huge lifeline, the biggest thing they have amidst people manipulating and controlling them and for them it works. India, China, masses of Europe - the vast majority of Religious people talk about how much their faith helps them live civil and balanced lives away from the problems in life. As much as Islam is a bit of an oddity, the people who practice Religion, again the vast majority (and I don't mean the muslim council of Britain or the Foundation of Islam) believe Islam to be a peaceful religion and even in the major Islamic countries around the world, the majority of participants away from the news headlines want peace throughout the middle east.

Surprisingly, this is the case in Iran as well. It is the Ayatollah and his control largely supported by influential billionaires pushing their own agenda that stops people from gaining true democratic power while they manipulate villagers and indigenous people in the country to gain a false win in polls.

So, I know people use Religion to fool and manipulate impressionable people with no hope or future but looking at the vast majority of people who are helped by Religion to live ina world, where lets face it, life isn't easy for anybody (even away from the Religion argument) then I guess it's easy for us in a country like we have to have choice for Religion becase we get help for Health, Work and everything but in countries where you have to push harder and work harder, Religion gives that impetus in people to try harder and a belief that there is more to life than nothing.

Here: Check this out,

http://www.newstatesman.com/internat...istan-pakistan

[florence33]

[rquote=2598577&tid=143385&author=VickyJ][rquote=2597975&tid=143385&author=florence33][rquote=2586685&tid=143385&author=VickyJ]I dont believe in god, life after death, fate, or any of that cr*p to be honest. When you die, thats it, you get eaten by worms or blow around the world in tiny pieces forever more...I believe in the big bang theory, and evolution, but fate, is nothing but a nice story. Same as the bible, I believe that it was written as a story book, it got into some deluded persons hands, and they took it for real. Jesus was one hell of an author, but not the son of god.[/rquote] Really, I think that if everyone believe that God don't exists, this world would be a very dangerous place. After all, what do you have to lose? It's real easy to act like a jackass.[/rquote]

The world is a more dangerous place because of religion. A lot of wars have occurred because of it, and lots of people have died for it. So how would the world be a dangerous place without it?

And you think Im acting like a jackass because I have different views than you? Speaks for itself really.[/rquote] I did not said anything about religion. God is all I know. There is no way that I am going to confuse myself. It was not your statement that prompt me to say it is easy to act like a jackass, most people I know who becomes christians will say that they were living an unholy life. Whatever that was, they couldn't be that proud, to make them want to change they lives, meaning, it's easy to do the wrong thing. I stop lying to myself years ago. It is easy to behave like a jackass. Whether that is getting drunk, sleeping around ect.. I just refrain from doing those things because I love God too much and He loves me but now, I love myself.

[florence33]

I know that some people would not agree with me about drinking alcohol, but overdone in most situations is the root of a lot of problems, but that,s just me. I rather not touch the stuff.

[MassiveTruck]

[rquote=2598958&tid=143385&author=florence33]I know that some people would not agree with me about drinking alcohol, but overdone in most situations is the root of a lot of problems, but that,s just me. I rather not touch the stuff.[/rquote]

I don't think any singular thing is the cause of problems in the world. I would say a lack of employment leading to broken areas of society causes numerous problems.

You give a person a job and they have little time to stir up trouble of any kind.

[MassiveTruck]

Wrong thread.

Without religion there would be no boundaries. Anyway no one follows religion and wars in countries happen also because they are very poor such as iraq,iran and so on. For me no matter what happens even if every single person in the world doesnt belive in god i would still have the same belief, long live god!

[NettoSuperstar!]

[rquote=2598866&tid=143385&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2598577&tid=143385&author=VickyJ][rquote=2597975&tid=143385&author=florence33][rquote=2586685&tid=143385&author=VickyJ]I dont believe in god, life after death, fate, or any of that cr*p to be honest. When you die, thats it, you get eaten by worms or blow around the world in tiny pieces forever more...I believe in the big bang theory, and evolution, but fate, is nothing but a nice story. Same as the bible, I believe that it was written as a story book, it got into some deluded persons hands, and they took it for real. Jesus was one hell of an author, but not the son of god.[/rquote] Really, I think that if everyone believe that God don't exists, this world would be a very dangerous place. After all, what do you have to lose? It's real easy to act like a jackass.[/rquote]

The world is a more dangerous place because of religion. A lot of wars have occurred because of it, and lots of people have died for it. So how would the world be a dangerous place without it?

And you think Im acting like a jackass because I have different views than you? Speaks for itself really.[/rquote]

I think Vicky the world is far more dangerous because of politics using Religion and misinterpreting it.

For instance terrorism - is largely controlled by underworld crime using Religion. The Taliban for instance, are huge drug smugglers. They found the second largest shipment of drugs ever in Afghanistan a while back - Marijuana, Coke and obviously Heroin. The Taliban basically use this (Religion) as a front and that the West are infidels.

This is financed by the Saudi families who are interested in pushing oil and their interests and using Islam, misinterpreting it for self benefit.

Other areas are the use of politics among Christians to get votes. Scaring parents about their kids getting diseases, pregnant if they don't believe in God and then saying vote for us and we'll get you a vote. A lot of this is governed by Religion.

Unfortunately, we rarely hear about the masses and masses of people who find faith and a future in their religion. In Africa for instance it's a huge lifeline, the biggest thing they have amidst people manipulating and controlling them and for them it works. India, China, masses of Europe - the vast majority of Religious people talk about how much their faith helps them live civil and balanced lives away from the problems in life. As much as Islam is a bit of an oddity, the people who practice Religion, again the vast majority (and I don't mean the muslim council of Britain or the Foundation of Islam) believe Islam to be a peaceful religion and even in the major Islamic countries around the world, the majority of participants away from the news headlines want peace throughout the middle east.

Surprisingly, this is the case in Iran as well. It is the Ayatollah and his control largely supported by influential billionaires pushing their own agenda that stops people from gaining true democratic power while they manipulate villagers and indigenous people in the country to gain a false win in polls.

So, I know people use Religion to fool and manipulate impressionable people with no hope or future but looking at the vast majority of people who are helped by Religion to live ina world, where lets face it, life isn't easy for anybody (even away from the Religion argument) then I guess it's easy for us in a country like we have to have choice for Religion becase we get help for Health, Work and everything but in countries where you have to push harder and work harder, Religion gives that impetus in people to try harder and a belief that there is more to life than nothing.

Here: Check this out,

http://www.newstatesman.com/internat...istan-pakistan[/rquote]

yeh I agree Christianity and Islam (for example) were born out of the political situation at the time. And the misinterpretation of great spiritual thinkers and abuses in the name of them all stem from the social/political dynamics of the time and so its gone throughout history. Wanting to develop spiritually and unite humanity in that development in itself, is, and has probably been of extreme importance in our evolution. Research suggests that people who have faith in something higher than the individual (that doesnt always have to be belief in a physical being either) report being more contented and the suicide rate is lower too

[Stu]

The Bible is not the word of god. Nor is it a single book. It is a collection of whack ass books written by multiple men over generations, and changed by multiple men over generations. It is a product of it's time. A political manifesto to encourage violence towards homosexuals and restrain the rights of women.

How people can worship such a gaping hole is beyond me. And make no mistake about it, I believe in some form of god. I dont believe a bunch of chemicals combining over the course of evolution could come to form the human brain we can feel emotion and self reflect with.

However, I have more respect for fundamentalists christians than you people who think it is cool to use the Bible as a pick and mix template for your own desires. Worship the full flaw or dont worship it at all!

[NettoSuperstar!]

[rquote=2605875&tid=143385&author=ProbeEight]The Bible is not the word of god. Nor is it a single book. It is a collection of whack ass books written by multiple men over generations, and changed by multiple men over generations. It is a product of it's time. A political manifesto to encourage violence towards homosexuals and restrain the rights of women.

How people can worship such a gaping hole is beyond me. And make no mistake about it, I believe in some form of god. I dont believe a bunch of chemicals combining over the course of evolution could come to form the human brain we can feel emotion and self reflect with.

However, I have more respect for fundamentalists christians than you people who think it is cool to use the Bible as a pick and mix template for your own desires. Worship the full flaw or dont worship it at all![/rquote]

See this is the problem...living by something so dogmatically that has been contrived in the way you describe is mass lunacy! What is wrong with critically evaluating all religions and coming to the conclusion that all religions are fundamentally trying to find the same path! Its not pick and mix at all, it is trying to understand ALL spiritual thought and trying to find relevant meaning in it!

[arista]

[rquote=2605875&tid=143385&author=ProbeEight]The Bible is not the word of god. Nor is it a single book. It is a collection of whack ass books written by multiple men over generations, and changed by multiple men over generations. It is a product of it's time. A political manifesto to encourage violence towards homosexuals and restrain the rights of women.

How people can worship such a gaping hole is beyond me. And make no mistake about it, I believe in some form of god. I dont believe a bunch of chemicals combining over the course of evolution could come to form the human brain we can feel emotion and self reflect with.

However, I have more respect for fundamentalists christians than you people who think it is cool to use the Bible as a pick and mix template for your own desires. Worship the full flaw or dont worship it at all![/rquote]




Bang On Right
There Is No God
Fact.

[Stu]

[rquote=2605886&tid=143385&author=NettoSuperstar!][rquote=2605875&tid=143385&author=ProbeEight]The Bible is not the word of god. Nor is it a single book. It is a collection of whack ass books written by multiple men over generations, and changed by multiple men over generations. It is a product of it's time. A political manifesto to encourage violence towards homosexuals and restrain the rights of women.

How people can worship such a gaping hole is beyond me. And make no mistake about it, I believe in some form of god. I dont believe a bunch of chemicals combining over the course of evolution could come to form the human brain we can feel emotion and self reflect with.

However, I have more respect for fundamentalists christians than you people who think it is cool to use the Bible as a pick and mix template for your own desires. Worship the full flaw or dont worship it at all![/rquote]

See this is the problem...living by something so dogmatically that has been contrived in the way you describe is mass lunacy! What is wrong with critically evaluating all religions and coming to the conclusion that all religions are fundamentally trying to find the same path! Its not pick and mix at all, it is trying to understand ALL spiritual thought and trying to find relevant meaning in it! [/rquote]

I think that is an entirely different idea. What I am reffering to is so called 'christians' who 'believe in the word of god' but only certain parts. Most Christians I know have never read the Bible and have no idea what it is all about. I was under the impression that Christianity put a *teeny* bit of emphasis on the Bible considering it is the sacred text? How can people only believe in certain parts of the Bible? What if your parts are wrong and the other parts are right? It's just such a confusing and disheartening scenario.

but hey, thats what you get for following a draconian pile of dogshit. i feel no need to 'respect' the bible as being important to some because on a personal level it offends me, so I dont worry too much about offending christians. I dont have to respect your beliefs and it is riddiculous to think I must.

we have to come to terms with the fact that, believe in god or not, all existing explanations are MAN MADE.

[Stu]

[rquote=2605889&tid=143385&author=arista][rquote=2605875&tid=143385&author=ProbeEight]The Bible is not the word of god. Nor is it a single book. It is a collection of whack ass books written by multiple men over generations, and changed by multiple men over generations. It is a product of it's time. A political manifesto to encourage violence towards homosexuals and restrain the rights of women.

How people can worship such a gaping hole is beyond me. And make no mistake about it, I believe in some form of god. I dont believe a bunch of chemicals combining over the course of evolution could come to form the human brain we can feel emotion and self reflect with.

However, I have more respect for fundamentalists christians than you people who think it is cool to use the Bible as a pick and mix template for your own desires. Worship the full flaw or dont worship it at all![/rquote]




Bang On Right
There Is No God
Fact.[/rquote]
Wrong. Nobody can prove nor disprove the cosmic force that got us to where we are. Anybody who says any differently is a liar. Nobody has the story

im a militant agnostic

[arista]

MA


Is Good News.

[setanta]

[rquote=2605895&tid=143385&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2605889&tid=143385&author=arista][rquote=2605875&tid=143385&author=ProbeEight]The Bible is not the word of god. Nor is it a single book. It is a collection of whack ass books written by multiple men over generations, and changed by multiple men over generations. It is a product of it's time. A political manifesto to encourage violence towards homosexuals and restrain the rights of women.

How people can worship such a gaping hole is beyond me. And make no mistake about it, I believe in some form of god. I dont believe a bunch of chemicals combining over the course of evolution could come to form the human brain we can feel emotion and self reflect with.

However, I have more respect for fundamentalists christians than you people who think it is cool to use the Bible as a pick and mix template for your own desires. Worship the full flaw or dont worship it at all![/rquote]




Bang On Right
There Is No God
Fact.[/rquote]
Wrong. Nobody can prove nor disprove the cosmic force that got us to where we are. Anybody who says any differently is a liar. Nobody has the story

im a militant agnostic [/rquote]

I'm basically agnostic too but while I agree with you to a certain extent with regard to the Bible, I do still find the story of Jesus particularly moving and has a real resonance for me. You can throw away the old testament as far as I'm concerned but I don't think there's a story as beautiful as the one of Jesus that can be found in any other religion.

[Stu]

[rquote=2605907&tid=143385&author=setanta][rquote=2605895&tid=143385&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2605889&tid=143385&author=arista][rquote=2605875&tid=143385&author=ProbeEight]The Bible is not the word of god. Nor is it a single book. It is a collection of whack ass books written by multiple men over generations, and changed by multiple men over generations. It is a product of it's time. A political manifesto to encourage violence towards homosexuals and restrain the rights of women.

How people can worship such a gaping hole is beyond me. And make no mistake about it, I believe in some form of god. I dont believe a bunch of chemicals combining over the course of evolution could come to form the human brain we can feel emotion and self reflect with.

However, I have more respect for fundamentalists christians than you people who think it is cool to use the Bible as a pick and mix template for your own desires. Worship the full flaw or dont worship it at all![/rquote]




Bang On Right
There Is No God
Fact.[/rquote]
Wrong. Nobody can prove nor disprove the cosmic force that got us to where we are. Anybody who says any differently is a liar. Nobody has the story

im a militant agnostic [/rquote]

I'm basically agnostic too but while I agree with you to a certain extent with regard to the Bible, I do still find the story of Jesus particularly moving and has a real resonance for me. You can throw away the old testament as far as I'm concerned but I don't think there's a story as beautiful as the one of Jesus that can be found in any other religion.[/rquote]
I would agree completely with you but remember, the news testament is a fulfilment of the OLD teastament. The two are inseperable.

[setanta]

[rquote=2605918&tid=143385&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2605907&tid=143385&author=setanta][rquote=2605895&tid=143385&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2605889&tid=143385&author=arista][rquote=2605875&tid=143385&author=ProbeEight]The Bible is not the word of god. Nor is it a single book. It is a collection of whack ass books written by multiple men over generations, and changed by multiple men over generations. It is a product of it's time. A political manifesto to encourage violence towards homosexuals and restrain the rights of women.

How people can worship such a gaping hole is beyond me. And make no mistake about it, I believe in some form of god. I dont believe a bunch of chemicals combining over the course of evolution could come to form the human brain we can feel emotion and self reflect with.

However, I have more respect for fundamentalists christians than you people who think it is cool to use the Bible as a pick and mix template for your own desires. Worship the full flaw or dont worship it at all![/rquote]




Bang On Right
There Is No God
Fact.[/rquote]
Wrong. Nobody can prove nor disprove the cosmic force that got us to where we are. Anybody who says any differently is a liar. Nobody has the story

im a militant agnostic [/rquote]

I'm basically agnostic too but while I agree with you to a certain extent with regard to the Bible, I do still find the story of Jesus particularly moving and has a real resonance for me. You can throw away the old testament as far as I'm concerned but I don't think there's a story as beautiful as the one of Jesus that can be found in any other religion.[/rquote]
I would agree completely with you but remember, the news testament is a fulfilment of the OLD teastament. The two are inseperable. [/rquote]

Oh, I think you can seperate the two, and furthermore you can seperate between the different Books contained in the Old Testament because as you have already alluded to, they're written by different men at varying times in our history.

[NettoSuperstar!]

[rquote=2605891&tid=143385&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2605886&tid=143385&author=NettoSuperstar!][rquote=2605875&tid=143385&author=ProbeEight]The Bible is not the word of god. Nor is it a single book. It is a collection of whack ass books written by multiple men over generations, and changed by multiple men over generations. It is a product of it's time. A political manifesto to encourage violence towards homosexuals and restrain the rights of women.

How people can worship such a gaping hole is beyond me. And make no mistake about it, I believe in some form of god. I dont believe a bunch of chemicals combining over the course of evolution could come to form the human brain we can feel emotion and self reflect with.

However, I have more respect for fundamentalists christians than you people who think it is cool to use the Bible as a pick and mix template for your own desires. Worship the full flaw or dont worship it at all![/rquote]

See this is the problem...living by something so dogmatically that has been contrived in the way you describe is mass lunacy! What is wrong with critically evaluating all religions and coming to the conclusion that all religions are fundamentally trying to find the same path! Its not pick and mix at all, it is trying to understand ALL spiritual thought and trying to find relevant meaning in it! [/rquote]

I think that is an entirely different idea. What I am reffering to is so called 'christians' who 'believe in the word of god' but only certain parts. Most Christians I know have never read the Bible and have no idea what it is all about. I was under the impression that Christianity put a *teeny* bit of emphasis on the Bible considering it is the sacred text? How can people only believe in certain parts of the Bible? What if your parts are wrong and the other parts are right? It's just such a confusing and disheartening scenario.

but hey, thats what you get for following a draconian pile of dogshit. i feel no need to 'respect' the bible as being important to some because on a personal level it offends me, so I dont worry too much about offending christians. I dont have to respect your beliefs and it is riddiculous to think I must.

we have to come to terms with the fact that, believe in god or not, all existing explanations are MAN MADE.[/rquote]

Well sure, but some people can appreciate aspects of the bible ie/ showing compassion, kindness, loving thy neighbour (but not coveting his wife etc) and perhaps enjoy the unity, prayer and meditation etc involved in being a Christian but disagree with parts that have no place in todays society. Fair play to them.

[Stu]

Yes but Jesus FULFILLED THE OLD TESTAMENT and along with it mosaic law! He spoke of Adam & Eve, Noah, and Hell! You cant possibly worship the man and ignore the fact that he WAS a jew.

You cant like the fruit and hate the tree! I am aware that man has an inherent need for dogma, but man.

[MassiveTruck]

[rquote=2599985&tid=143385&author=atieah2009]Without religion there would be no boundaries. Anyway no one follows religion and wars in countries happen also because they are very poor such as iraq,iran and so on. For me no matter what happens even if every single person in the world doesnt belive in god i would still have the same belief, long live god![/rquote]

Yes. Over most of millenia (prior to Christianity) the large groupings of spiritual and religious beliefs were as guardians of peace and civility and the promotion of knowledge. In recent millenia, war has been used by some faiths to promote Religion (mainly Christianity and Islam) but even there the monotheistic faiths are in conflict in regards to the misrepresentation of their teachings.