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NettoSuperstar! · 13-11-2009, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Wildcat!

Very good article. Somewould benefit from reading that, instead of making these stupid assumptions, and dumb scenarios.

they wont tho Wildcat, cos theyre not really interested in the emancipation of muslim women, its just another reason to disrespect a group of people

WOMBAI · 13-11-2009, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Rachel-x

But most of them do

Surely if just one woman in this country is wearing it against her will - it is unacceptable. As a country - we then become complicit in that oppression.

NettoSuperstar! · 13-11-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

You should read this Netto, you'd enjoy it.

...and your point? lots of people wouldnt want to be a muslim...or a christian for that matter, doesnt mean you can condemn the ordinary people that follow that faith or portray them as largely fanatical and imply that they are a growing danger to our culture and way of life...its simply irrational and not true. There is a (proportionately) small number of extremists whos interpretation of the quran is completely ****ed up that pose a threat to the population including other muslims.

Back on topic, banning the Burkha is not the way forward. Sociological and Psychological research confirms that fact. And if you bothered to read the articles, most people agree that change has to come from within the muslim population itself (and it is and has been).

oh and Arista I dont think its hard to guess who's read the most books here mate X

Chantel · 13-11-2009, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Surely if just one woman in this country is wearing it against her will - it is unacceptable. As a country - we then become complicit in that oppression.

Yeah if its against her will of course its unaceptable

InOne · 13-11-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

...and your point? lots of people wouldnt want to be a muslim...or a christian for that matter, doesnt mean you can condemn the ordinary people that follow that faith or portray them as largely fanatical and imply that they are a growing danger to our culture and way of life...its simply irrational and not true. There is a (proportionately) small number of extremists whos interpretation of the quran is completely ****ed up that pose a threat to the population including other muslims.

Back on topic, banning the Burkha is not the way forward. Sociological and Psychological research confirms that fact. And if you bothered to read the articles, most people agree that change has to come from within the muslim population itself (and it is and has been).

oh and Arista I dont think its hard to guess who's read the most books here mate X

It is the way forward for our society, maybe not in the middle east.

WOMBAI · 13-11-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

...and your point? lots of people wouldnt want to be a muslim...or a christian for that matter, doesnt mean you can condemn the ordinary people that follow that faith or portray them as largely fanatical and imply that they are a growing danger to our culture and way of life...its simply irrational and not true. There is a small number of extremists whos interpretation of the quran is completely ****ed up that pose a threat to the population including other muslims.

Back on topic, banning the Burkha is not the way forward. Sociological and Psychological research confirms that fact. And if you bothered to read the articles, most people agree that change has to come from within the muslim population itself (and it is and has been).

oh and Arista I dont think its hard to guess who's read the most books here mate X

Any kind of religous identification/influence should not be allowed in secular state schools in this country. No exceptions.

NettoSuperstar! · 13-11-2009, 02:18 PM

"No rational argument will have a rational effect on a man who does not want to adopt a rational attitude.”

NettoSuperstar! · 13-11-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Any kind of religous identification/influence should not be allowed in secular state schools in this country. No exceptions.

why shouldnt they?

Vicky. · 13-11-2009, 04:18 PM

I look at it this way.

If burkas are allowed, everywhere...then I dont see why people cant go into banks/shops/schools wearing balaclavas. Its relatively the same thing.

Fair enough people dont wear balaclavas because of some religious thing, but its the ID side of it that is the problem, nothing else. Anyone could be under that thing.

InOne · 13-11-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by VickyJ

I look at it this way.

If burkas are allowed, everywhere...then I dont see why people cant go into banks/shops/schools wearing balaclavas. Its relatively the same thing.

Fair enough people dont wear balaclavas because of some religious thing, but its the ID side of it that is the problem, nothing else. Anyone could be under that thing.

There is another, the Burka is not even in the Quran. I think it originated in Afghanistan under the rule of the Taliban.

Vicky. · 13-11-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

There is another, the Burka is not even in the Quran. I think it originated in Afghanistan under the rule of the Taliban.

Well I dont really know about anything like that but I think people should be allowed to wear what they like, within reason.

The burka just isnt practical at all. They should be banned in public places(ESPECIALLY banks, schools, airports etc), the same as balaclavas, and even hats sometimes, are. In my opinion anyway.

InOne · 13-11-2009, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by VickyJ

Well I dont really know about anything like that but I think people should be allowed to wear what they like, within reason.

The burka just isnt practical at all. They should be banned in public places(ESPECIALLY banks, schools, airports etc), the same as balaclavas, and even hats sometimes, are. In my opinion anyway.

Yeah indeed, just no good in those kind of places.

WOMBAI · 13-11-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

why shouldnt they?

Why should the Muslim religion be given special rights over other religions?

What is so special about the Muslim religion?

NettoSuperstar! · 13-11-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Why should the Muslim religion be given special rights over other religions?

What is so special about the Muslim religion?

Thats not my question? you said people of all religions shouldnt be allowed to wear anything associated with their religion in a secular school. I asked why shouldnt they? Just because its a secular school doesnt mean they have to be intolerant of religious and cultural practice (of any religion)

InOne · 13-11-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Thats not my question? you said people of all religions shouldnt be allowed to wear anything associated with their religion in a secular school. I asked why shouldnt they? Just because its a secular school doesnt mean they have to be intolerant of religious and cultural practice (of any religion)

Do you believe religion deserves respect?

WOMBAI · 13-11-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Thats not my question? you said people of all religions shouldnt be allowed to wear anything associated with their religion in a secular school. I asked why shouldnt they? Just because its a secular school doesnt mean they have to be intolerant of religious and cultural practice (of any religion)

Because the whole intention is keeping education separate from religion. It is the best way of avoiding problems. The wearing of special clothing such as Burkhas causes problems of identification - a key issue when working with children. Religion is for outside the classroom. Something for people to practice in their private lives.

InOne · 17-11-2009, 04:46 PM

Religious Schools are not good. Although the sad fact is they have been here a long time and will probably never go away.

arista · 17-11-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

Religious Schools are not good. Although the sad fact is they have been here a long time and will probably never go away.

Yes yet another
New Labour mess.

InOne · 17-11-2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Yes yet another
New Labour mess.

I blame Thatcher.

arista · 17-11-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

I blame Thatcher.

You can not
as Stinking New Labour has had 12 long years
and the have Fecked the Nation right up.

InOne · 17-11-2009, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

You can not
as Stinking New Labour has had 12 long years
and the have Fecked the Nation right up.

She set it up man, you know it. It could not be repaired, hence why Labour is so bad.

Jords · 17-11-2009, 11:32 PM

I know its about their religion and all, but I do find it very silly that they cant show their face till their married.

InOne · 17-11-2009, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jords

I know its about their religion and all, but I do find it very silly that they cant show their face till their married.

They can't ever show their face, except infront of their husband.

Jords · 17-11-2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

They can't ever show their face, except infront of their husband.

Really? I never knew that! Surely God, Allah, whoever they believe in wouldnt want it tbh? Its like their ashamed of their identity...

InOne · 17-11-2009, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jords

Really? I never knew that! Surely God, Allah, whoever they believe in wouldnt want it tbh? Its like their ashamed of their identity...

It is not in the Quran, it was enforced by the taliban, and then adopted over here as a kind of '**** you' to our culture.

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