[Crimson Dynamo]

Is there a consensus?

[Beastie]

good is heaven
evil is hell

[Ninastar]

Ughh this reminds me of this poem we just did in english. Its basically saying is there any good in evil or is there any evil in good.
Blehh

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Ughh this reminds me of this poem we just did in english. Its basically saying is there any good in evil or is there any evil in good.
Blehh

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[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

DETENTION

[Niamh.]

Batman is good
The Joker is evil????

[Lauren]

It's all socially constructed, but there's generally a universal understanding about what constitutes 'good' and 'bad'. However, as with everything, it's all labelled semantics.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Lauren

It's all socially constructed, but there's generally a universal understanding about what constitutes 'good' and 'bad'. However, as with everything, it's all labelled semantics.

Is it not based on evolutional survival?

We see good as anything that contributes to survival of the process of evolution, and evil with anything that destroys the furtherment of the fittest.

[Lauren]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Is it not based on evolutional survival?

We see good as anything that contributes to survival of the process of evolution, and evil with anything that destroys the furtherment of the fittest.

At it's basic level, yes - good point. But then some 'bad' things would be considered helpful to survival for the individual (stealing food when starving). It's all very subjective.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Lauren

At it's basic level, yes - good point. But then some 'bad' things would be considered helpful to survival for the individual (stealing food when starving). It's all very subjective.

I think a lot of evil comes from our basic need to be valued

[Captain.Remy]

The notion of good and evil depends on the culture. What is considered good in one society, is bad in another and vice versa. However, we all share some values (killing human is evil, helping people is good) yet we still can have differences (in some societies, killing a woman in public for daring to look at a man is good therefore normal etc...) so it's all subjective.

To stereotype a bit, what's good is defined as what can you do to make people happy, not to offend anyone, be honest and live a simple life.
What is bad is what does harm people, cheating, lying, being mean etc...

But then I think we shouldn't fall into what we call a division of the 2. Things aren't all white and black, they are grey.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

The notion of good and evil depends on the culture. What is considered good in one society, is bad in another and vice versa. However, we all share some values (killing human is evil, helping people is good) yet we still can have differences (in some societies, killing a woman in public for daring to look at a man is good therefore normal etc...) so it's all subjective.

To stereotype a bit, what's good is defined as what can you do to make people happy, not to offend anyone, be honest and live a simple life.
What is bad is what does harm people, cheating, lying, being mean etc...

But then I think we shouldn't fall into what we call a division of the 2. Things aren't all white and black, they are grey.

GW.Bush/Blair/ UnElected Brown
are all Evil
for not stopping Evil Yank Carpet Bombing of the General Public in Iraq.
Fact.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

The notion of good and evil depends on the culture. What is considered good in one society, is bad in another and vice versa. However, we all share some values (killing human is evil, helping people is good) yet we still can have differences (in some societies, killing a woman in public for daring to look at a man is good therefore normal etc...) so it's all subjective.

To stereotype a bit, what's good is defined as what can you do to make people happy, not to offend anyone, be honest and live a simple life.
What is bad is what does harm people, cheating, lying, being mean etc...

But then I think we shouldn't fall into what we call a division of the 2. Things aren't all white and black, they are grey.

Killing a woman in public for looking at a man - is/would be wrong in any society - whatever religion tries to justify it! Just requires commonsense and humanity to know that!

[Lauren]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Killing a woman in public for looking at a man - is/would be wrong in any society - whatever religion tries to justify it! Just requires commonsense and humanity to know that!

But is it really bad? I mean, I look at that situation and go "it's bad" - but why does the fact it's a universal understanding mean it's actually bad?

Plus the good/bad thing is constantly shifting. Years ago if you'd said that a man married his black wife - people would say that's bad, or if someone was gay, that was also bad.

(I am not saying murder is right, but who are we to say it's bad? Yes, it fits into the universal meaning of bad, but is it actually evil?).

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Lauren

But is it really bad? I mean, I look at that situation and go "it's bad" - but why does the fact it's a universal understanding mean it's actually bad?

Plus the good/bad thing is constantly shifting. Years ago if you'd said that a man married his black wife - people would say that's bad, or if someone was gay, that was also bad.

(I am not saying murder is right, but who are we to say it's bad? Yes, it fits into the universal meaning of bad, but is it actually evil?).

Sorry - but that is bull. You can't compare murder to mixed marriage and being gay.

Killing a woman for the reasons mentioned above is murder - and most definitely EVIL. In my book - any religion that would justify it is EVIL. They can dress it up how they like - but murder is murder!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Sorry - but that is bull. You can't compare murder to mixed marriage and being gay.

Killing a woman for the reasons mentioned above is murder - and most definitely EVIL. In my book - any religion that would justify it is EVIL. They can dress it up how they like - but murder is murder!

correctamundo

[arista]

We all have Evil to give out
Even Lauren - at some point in her life will become Evil for a moment.

[Niamh.]

If you treat people the way you would like to be treated yourself than I think that's good

[setanta]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

If you treat people the way you would like to be treated yourself than I think that's good

Exactly. Basically I'm good and Niamhs evil.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by setanta

Exactly. Basically I'm good and Niamhs evil.

haha, the other way round I'd say!!

[setanta]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

haha, the other way round I'd say!!

Ohh, cheeky. I'm actually nice, even if I'm argumentative on occassion. No no, opinionated is the word but sure so are you with me sometimes.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by setanta

Ohh, cheeky. I'm actually nice, even if I'm argumentative on occassion. No no, opinionated is the word but sure so are you with me sometimes.

Wouldn't it be boring otherwise??!!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

If you treat people the way you would like to be treated yourself than I think that's good

Are you getting all Jesus on us?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Are you getting all Jesus on us?

Nope, that's what I think

[BB_Eye]

It's all relative. We are beyond the point now where we can give any definitive account of what good or evil is. When you think about it, we are all monsters in some way or another, we are guided irrationally by our survival and procreative instincts. This is the only constant. Ethical guidelines come and go.