[Clockers]

Originally Posted by PaulyJ

I agree ideally standing her ground and defending yourself is better, however i counted 4 people besides Vinnie that clearly agreed with Vinnie against her, and the rest we're shtum on the subject, that equals a gang mentality i would say and i think i would of walked out given the odds. If she had of argued would she of won?, made things better?

I actually started to like her when she did the dance after surviving eviction, Sov may not argue when she is in the minority, but will Vinnie and his supporting cast argue with the majority viewers who may appear to of come down on the side of Sov in this issue, (referencing the way the bullies backed off Freddie after he kept being saved by the public vote)

We shall see

Door swings both ways, like Sisoq said she has isolated herself, not being a team player. The house is not a normal place, it law of the jungle and strong survive and if she wants to be in the firing line, she can only hope for the public to save her. Being brash and bragging about surviving may work for an American audience but not a British one. Unless you are a Chav.

[PaulyJ]

Originally Posted by Clockers

Door swings both ways, like Sisoq said she has isolated herself, not being a team player. The house is not a normal place, it law of the jungle and strong survive and if she wants to be in the firing line, she can only hope for the public to save her. Being brash and bragging about surviving may work for an American audience but not a British one. Unless you are a Chav.

The public are always saving troubled Hm's wether accuratly because we see more detail being the fly on the wall or inacuratly because we don't see everything that happens.

either way if Sov's in for that kind of ride as things stand i will be on her side

I would dis-agree and say the house is a very normal place, and i can relate to 90 pcnt of what happens in their because of it's normalness, The law of the jungle is alive and kicking but it is your job as a viewer to vote as your concience see's fit, reward the good evict the bad, i won't be rewarding Mr Vinnie Jones.

[PaulyJ]

Taken away from the context yes it was a stupid move to dance smuggly, but she'd been written off by the dominant part of the group, she knew it when Ivana commiserated with her telling her she would see her outside, i think Vinnie said your not safe yet after the first eviction. imagine you're being told you lost before the votes are cast, that's got to make you feel like screaming haha **** you hasn't it.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by PaulyJ

Taken away from the context yes it was a stupid move to dance smuggly, but she'd been written off by the dominant part of the group, she knew it when Ivana commiserated with her telling her she would see her outside, i think Vinnie said your not safe yet after the first eviction. imagine you're being told you lost before the votes are cast, that's got to make you feel like screaming haha **** you hasn't it.

I guess, but, it was the way she acted before you know, with the corn beef, she is not using common sense. Usually there is something inside you that tells you 'Oh, this is gonna piss people off if I do it'. She does not seem to have that though

[PaulyJ]

Originally Posted by InOne

I guess, but, it was the way she acted before you know, with the corn beef, she is not using common sense. Usually there is something inside you that tells you 'Oh, this is gonna piss people off if I do it'. She does not seem to have that though

Have you seen that show on BB3 "The Worlds toughest parents" i think it's called

The teenagers that go to other parts of the world and resist all attempts to be told what they can and cant do by these strange new people trying to be their parents. Maybe she has a bit of that in her.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by PaulyJ

Have you seen that show on BB3 "The Worlds toughest parents" i think it's called

The teenagers that go to other parts of the world and resist all attempts to be told what they can and cant do by these strange new people trying to be their parents. Maybe she has a bit of that in her.

Yeah saw that. But she is famous, she has made money in her time and she is 24, you got to grow out of it sometime...

[dizzy-lizzy]

Originally Posted by InOne

Yeah saw that. But she is famous, she has made money in her time and she is 24, you got to grow out of it sometime...

I suppose in your book its mature of those old enough to know better to gang up against a vunerable young woman--should have thought they should have known better and grown out of such childish behaviour---and the bible basher wants to learn some of the lessons he so smugly preaches

[Clockers]

Originally Posted by PaulyJ

Taken away from the context yes it was a stupid move to dance smuggly, but she'd been written off by the dominant part of the group, she knew it when Ivana commiserated with her telling her she would see her outside, i think Vinnie said your not safe yet after the first eviction. imagine you're being told you lost before the votes are cast, that's got to make you feel like screaming haha **** you hasn't it.

Good point, if I was the outsider in that house and I would be "in your face bitches"

[Smithy]

yes, all she does is smoke and complain

[BB_Eye]

The fact that Sov has been the only person to stand up to Vinnie shows up the rest of the house for their lack of social skills... not to mention basic assertiveness.

[Deliverance]

the girl has to be given a chance really. Her reactions are normal enough for one her age albeit she is a bit immature. But to be equally fair the HM's age gap is an issue. I imagine she feels pretty alone by this as the youngest person in the house. The word chav has been thrown about a lot as well which is unfair as well.

If one is treated in this manner then one will act accordingly. Vinnie is incredibly dominating and has the support of others in the house that are his age or older. He did single here out over the food issue rather than handling it more diplomatically.

Poor old Sov is kind of an outsider and alone age wise and generation gap wise. Kind of normal for her to rebel in the way she is doing I think.

[InOne]

Yes but she has lead herself into these situations, she is 24, the 'she is a youngster' thing does not wash. It is appauling behaviour from a 24 year old.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by InOne

Yes but she has lead herself into these situations, she is 24, the 'she is a youngster' thing does not wash. It is appauling behaviour from a 24 year old.

I wouldn't care if she was 30. Vinnie is masking his obvious need to control the day to day lives of his fellow housemates in a bunch of bullsh*t gestures about his concern for their welfare and every one of those idiots is falling for it.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

I wouldn't care if she was 30. Vinnie is masking his obvious need to control the day to day lives of his fellow housemates in a bunch of bullsh*t gestures about his concern for their welfare and every one of those idiots is falling for it.

Vinnie called her up on something when she was out of order, it's not like he hounds her everywhere she goes, she has to learn someday.

[Deliverance]

Originally Posted by InOne

Yes but she has lead herself into these situations, she is 24, the 'she is a youngster' thing does not wash. It is appauling behaviour from a 24 year old.

To be honest is not appalling behaviour it is though a simple behaviour from someone that is 24! She is acting and looks like a 17yr old or younger. surprising really from a supposed 'grime artist' and 'musician'.

To be frank, in her defense, I think she is a better example as a person than Nicola. Nicola is more vacuous and a typical glamour model who makes money from getting her tits out. Not a v.good one at that.

Also to be fair to Vinnie he did back her up and advise her about her persona at one stage.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by Deliverance

To be honest is not appalling behaviour it is though a simple behaviour from someone that is 24! She is acting and looks like a 17yr old or younger. surprising really from a supposed 'grime artist' and 'musician'.

To be frank, in her defense, I think she is a better example as a person than Nicola. Nicola is more vacuous and a typical glamour model who makes money from getting her tits out. Not a v.good one at that.

Also to be fair to Vinnie he did back her up and advise her about her persona at one stage.

There is a definite whiff of adolescence to Sov's sulkiness, but Nicola's total incapacity for independent thought is more reminiscent of a pre-school child.

[Shasown]

She reckons she is a grown up, capable of serious thought and making her own decisions. Maybe if she took the decision to listen to peoples opinions, supress the urge to think "You cant tell me what to do" and instead try thinking about trying to get along with others.

One day she may realise, she cant have her own way always. Most children eventually do.

[PaulyJ]

So to sum up we have established that

Sov opened a can of Corned Beef
Vinnie, Steph, Ivana all agreed they wanted her to go
Sov should grow up because she acts like a teenager
and i have yet to hear from InONe or any of the other Sov diss-aprovers on the dubious behaviour of these adults.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by PaulyJ

So to sum up we have established that

Sov opened a can of Corned Beef
Vinnie, Steph, Ivana all agreed they wanted her to go
Sov should grow up because she acts like a teenager
and i have yet to hear from InONe or any of the other Sov diss-aprovers on the dubious behaviour of these adults.

Yes, but the subject is Sov, and she lead them to think like that about her. She is clearly very self centered, anyone can see that, she can't adapt to a situation that involved not putting herself first.

[dizzy-lizzy]

Originally Posted by InOne

Yes, but the subject is Sov, and she lead them to think like that about her. She is clearly very self centered, anyone can see that, she can't adapt to a situation that involved not putting herself first.

Quite clearly from your own experience sweetheart you are an expert in this subjectbless you

[InOne]

Originally Posted by dizzy-lizzy

Quite clearly from your own experience sweetheart you are an expert in this subjectbless you

You can't even form a proper opinion, you just giggle with Courtney, move along dear.

[dizzy-lizzy]

Originally Posted by InOne

You can't even form a proper opinion, you just giggle with Courtney, move along dear.

Is there no end to your talents luv?

[PaulyJ]

Well you already know my views on Sov's behaviour She rebelled against the self appointed authority figures in the house by opening a can of Corned Beef Vinnie bad mouthed her for it, the bad mouthing spread to Steph and Ivana and then when Sov found out about this bad feeling and was saved by the public she danced the dance of defiance in full view to show she is not the weak target able to be thrown out by the Self appointed arrbatures of what can go and what cannot.

I'd have a better time in there with 10 Sov's than 10 Vinnies i know that much

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by PaulyJ

I'd have a better time in there with 10 Sov's than 10 Vinnies i know that much

Lunatics taken over the asylum there then.

[PaulyJ]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Lunatics taken over the asylum there then.

They turn the lights off at 1am they don't realise i have to practice

A har har, Thank you very much