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Angus · 02-02-2010, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by wannashag

so angus which role model should be england captain?

not gerrard, he's just been through the courts on an assault charge

not lampard, he's had affairs in the past, drunken disordely behaviour and had a porn tape out

not ferdinand, he was banned a couple of years back for failing to take a drugs test, and as done a porn tape with lampard.

not ashley cole, he cheated on his wife cheryl not so long back, which was all in the papers.

not rooney, he was in the news for cheating on coleen with grannies.

not beckham, the papers told us he had an affair with rebecca loos, and of course we know papers are the honest truth.

so who do you think it should be?

Yes, it's a sad catalogue of overpaid, overhyped tossers isn't it - but since I'm not the England Manager (I believe that honour goes to an Italian) I am not qualified to make that decision. How sad that Capello has such a poor selection to choose from - rather him than me.

However, what you appear to be suggesting is that Terry should be allowed to retain the captaincy because he's the best of a bad bunch? Clearly the status of Captain of England is now nothing to aspire to or achieve since it can be conferred on a man who has shown himself to have no sense of morality, dignity, justice or fair play, all requisite qualities of a team leader. His footballing skills are not in question here, and I am not suggesting he is kicked off the team. He should not however be Captain - he does not deserve the title or status.

Wildcat! · 02-02-2010, 11:35 AM

Being the captain of a football tesam, requireds, leading by example on the field, being a leader, having the respect of your teammates (for what you do on the field), and some experience, with mumber of years you have played, and the caps you have collected.
Terry has all of that, and his off the field anticds, have nothing to do with it. Its pathetic to even think of removing him as captain.

setanta · 02-02-2010, 11:49 AM

You keep comparing him to other England footballers and their ill advised and reprehensible behaviour, but I think you're all missing the most important point of this whole thing which has little or nothing to do with him cheating on his wife and could have a huge effect for England in the World Cup.......

He f£cked his teammates girfriend!!! Had an affair with her. That's the key issue here when it concerns Terry's tenure as captain and it's bound to create tension in the dressing room. Forget about the moral implications for a second and just think about that instead.

arista · 02-02-2010, 11:52 AM

Terrys very able Lover Venessa.

rapunza1977 · 02-02-2010, 11:52 AM

are you going to print that all day

I assume your a big fan

Wildcat! · 02-02-2010, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by setanta

You keep comparing him to other England footballers and their ill advised and reprehensible behaviour, but I think you're all missing the most important point of this whole thing which has little or nothing to do with him cheating on his wife and could have a huge effect for England in the World Cup.......

He f£cked his teammates girfriend!!! Had an affair with her. That's the key issue here when it concerns Terry's tenure as captain and it's bound to create tension in the dressing room. Forget about the moral implications for a second and just think about that instead.

I thought, it was the dude's ex girlfriend? If so, I dont think that should be a problem. Or did it happen when they were still together? If so, thats a whole other issue. I agree, that would affect team morale and chemistry. So clarify for me if you dont mind.

rapunza1977 · 02-02-2010, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by setanta

You keep comparing him to other England footballers and their ill advised and reprehensible behaviour, but I think you're all missing the most important point of this whole thing which has little or nothing to do with him cheating on his wife and could have a huge effect for England in the World Cup.......

He f£cked his teammates girfriend!!! Had an affair with her. That's the key issue here when it concerns Terry's tenure as captain and it's bound to create tension in the dressing room. Forget about the moral implications for a second and just think about that instead.

Of course it will create tension however it's no different to a boss having an affair with a work mates wife, PA, colleague. This creates tension!

They have a job to do, they get on with it. Paid well enough. I can see where Wayne is coming from, a lot of the guys have extra marital affairs, as I said before it's heart breaking it's so close to whom. They just need to get out there and play for their country. I do not think JT should be sent to the slaughter, career ruined all because of this!?!? Has nothing to do with te game. It's a witch hunt as per by British media - look at Tiger Woods. Totally out of hand, and who cares, their wifes put up with it and I would bet my months salary that JT's wife will not leave him, she should, take him to the cleaners, but I bet she will not.

rapunza1977 · 02-02-2010, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Wildcat!

I thought, it was the dude's ex girlfriend? If so, I dont think that should be a problem. Or did it happen when they were still together? If so, thats a whole other issue. I agree, that would affect team morale and chemistry. So clarify for me if you dont mind.

well media reports say it happened when she ended things with Wayne and he went to City as she refused to move to manchester - allegedly

it supposedly happened after this but how do we know, unless she does sell her story,

Alf · 02-02-2010, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rapunza1977

well media reports say it happened when she ended things with Wayne and he went to City as she refused to move to manchester - allegedly

it supposedly happened after this but how do we know, unless she does sell her story,

and how much will they offer her to exaggerate the story?
i've also heard it was after they split and bridge had gone to man city

setanta · 02-02-2010, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildcat!

I thought, it was the dude's ex girlfriend? If so, I dont think that should be a problem. Or did it happen when they were still together? If so, thats a whole other issue. I agree, that would affect team morale and chemistry. So clarify for me if you dont mind.

Well the dates haven't been determined yet but the fact is Wayne Bridge has a child with this girl and has been a close friend to Terry while with Chelsea and England. That's not on as far as I'm concerned and this wasn't just a one night thing between them. Sure they've all known each other for years at this stage so who knows when it first started? Terry also made her have an abortion!

30stone · 02-02-2010, 12:18 PM

Ohh yeah lets sack the best captain we have got..

Just shrink our chances of winning the biggest prize in football which brings millions into this country..

Smart..

Terry is the best captain.. he is also the best centre back we have..

Why ruin our chances?

Its a personal issue not for us to control.

setanta · 02-02-2010, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 30stone

Ohh yeah lets sack the best captain we have got..

Just shrink our chances of winning the biggest prize in football which brings millions into this country..

Smart..

Terry is the best captain.. he is also the best centre back we have..

Why ruin our chances?

Its a personal issue not for us to control.

Wayne Bridge plays for England too and, judging from the tshirts warn by a few of the City players last weekend, he's a well liked young man who's apparently finding it hard to cope at the moment. This could have huge repercussions for the National team.

Alf · 02-02-2010, 12:21 PM

he's in my home city tonight, wonder if vanessa's gonna be here

Wildcat! · 02-02-2010, 12:22 PM

So basically, its all he said she said craap! Not that it would matter as far as his role as captain, as fAR \as I am concerned of course, I know some people would disagree.

But really, this is very, very silly!

I remember when it happened with Kobe Bryant in the US. He is the LA Lakers superstar, and had to deal with infidelity scandal. Even had a rape allegation on him. BUt Kobe prevailed, because of his Abilities, on the court. I hope it happens for Terry because he is a legend on the field, and I hate to see us football fans, deprived of his contribution.

Wildcat! · 02-02-2010, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 30stone

Ohh yeah lets sack the best captain we have got..

Just shrink our chances of winning the biggest prize in football which brings millions into this country..

Smart..

Terry is the best captain.. he is also the best centre back we have..

Why ruin our chances?

Its a personal issue not for us to control.

Agree completely there! If I was english at least.

But you know what I mean. Football is football. Entertainment. Life, Is much bigger, and some ball player, shouldnt be held to certain standards.

arista · 02-02-2010, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rapunza1977

are you going to print that all day

I assume your a big fan

No but it gives us a good view of his Hot Bit
on the side.

setanta · 02-02-2010, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildcat!

So basically, its all he said she said craap! Not that it would matter as far as his role as captain, as fAR \as I am concerned of course, I know some people would disagree.
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It has a huge effect on his ability to lead his team when you consider that Wayne Bridge could be on the national team and sure even if he's not there's many who know and like the guy.

As for it being a case of he said, she said: Terry went to court to try and maintain his anonymity concerning all of these allegations, but the judge lifted the injunction on the press and allowed them to reveal his identity.

Crimson Dynamo · 02-02-2010, 12:42 PM

dont forget that prem football players are really just cab drivers who are very good at football.

terry is an oik, a classic example of poor loveless upbringing, a spiritual vacuum filled with material desire, what you get when you worship money.

The England football team get what they represent and the spineless FA will prevaricate.

Obviously if he really was a captain, he would resign.

WOMBAI · 02-02-2010, 12:47 PM

Disagree that it's a personal issue! The effectiveness of his job relies on more than just his footballing skills. It also relies on him being able to gain a certain amount of respect from the public, other footballers and management. Lack of respect and bad morale between the players is extremely detrimental to his position. His effectiveness as a captain/manager is dependent upon his ability to gain respect and that has been severely compromised by his behaviour!

Alf · 02-02-2010, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Disagree that it's a personal issue! The effectiveness of his job relies on more than just his footballing skills. It also relies on him being able to gain a certain amount of respect from the public, other footballers and management. Lack of respect and bad morale between the players is extremely detrimental to his position. His effectiveness as a captain/manager is dependent upon his ability to gain respect and that has been severely compromised by his behaviour!

england football fans (real ones) have respect for him as a player, which is what really matters and i'd wager the large majority if not all of his england team mates do aswell.

Crimson Dynamo · 02-02-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by wannashag

england football fans (real ones) have respect for him as a player, which is what really matters and i'd wager the large majority if not all of his england team mates do aswell.

so what if he was done for child computer porn?

rapunza1977 · 02-02-2010, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

Well the dates haven't been determined yet but the fact is Wayne Bridge has a child with this girl and has been a close friend to Terry while with Chelsea and England. That's not on as far as I'm concerned and this wasn't just a one night thing between them. Sure they've all known each other for years at this stage so who knows when it first started? Terry also made her have an abortion!

allegedly! paper talk.

we do not know, apparently a lof of lies and this is why she is toying with the idea of getting story out there, what will be interesting is the chat about possibility of another big player sleeping with her ... if he is married / kids / gfriend etc etc

setanta · 02-02-2010, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rapunza1977

allegedly! paper talk.

we do not know, apparently a lof of lies and this is why she is toying with the idea of getting story out there, what will be interesting is the chat about possibility of another big player sleeping with her ... if he is married / kids / gfriend etc etc

Lies? The judge ruled over it and decided to allow the papers to print it. What more do you need?

Alf · 02-02-2010, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

so what if he was done for child computer porn?

but he hasn't, and that would be a totally different situation than having a concenting adult relationship.
if that was the case then i'm sure people would lose respect for him.

30stone · 02-02-2010, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

Wayne Bridge plays for England too and, judging from the tshirts warn by a few of the City players last weekend, he's a well liked young man who's apparently finding it hard to cope at the moment. This could have huge repercussions for the National team.

Where they first team english players...

and of course man city players are gunna stick by him, just like players like lampard have stuck with terry..

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