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Originally Posted by Shasown

Yes just look at the mess that has been caused recently, infortunately it wasnt David Cameron running the country was it? All those fat cat bankers getting bonuses and undermining our economy, so Brown and Darling step in and bail out the banks, and hey before they have paid back the money they owe the tax payer they are back getting the bonuses again.

How will opting out of the social chapter lead to workers suffering? All it means is we will be able to bring our own legislation for Health and Safety and Workers rights etc, without having to go through the European Majority Vote system we now have to. Or having unnecessary regulations forced onto UK industry. Its all right screaming "panic" but please understand what you are panicking for.

How do the rest of Europe manage in the health field? There are some countries health services that arent anywhere near as good as the NHS is. As for the better ones, they dont have half as many administrators in their health services thats for sure. Most of the money spent in health goes to front line services, doctors, nurses etc where it rightly should unlike the NHS where a sizeable amount of the budget goes to Administration.

No arguements about people at the top of businesses etc earning obscene amounts but you have to remember that since 1997 Tory Tony and now bungling Brown were at the helm of the ship.

While I commend your socialist feelings about equality for all, there are a lot more problems wrong with society than people earning different amounts and I dont honestly think that will bring about its downfall.

No it wasnt Cameron running the country (thank ****), do you seriously think they would have kept the banks in check? It goes against everything they stand for. And as much as I'd love to share your optimism, do you honestly think if Cameron had his way things like maternity rights, working time directives etc will not be affected? Come on now... not that he will be able to do **** all anyway, Cameron has no clear direction on anything! And Im bloody glad it wasnt them in charge during this recession. As for health care, we could have one of the best systems in the world if there wasnt such class division and the two tier system that exists now...look at Sweden etc. The problem here is that too many people are concerned with their own welfare and dont have a second thought for whats good for society as a whole. I have no problem with people earning different amounts, Im not a commie, but there has to be balance and there has to be some kind of unity and concern for the whole of society in general or look at what greed and individualism does, it threatens the stability of us all and is more responsible for the division in society than anything else. Yeh I agree bankers should be paying us back big time, but Cameron wont be doing owt about that. I think the problem here is your lookin at Maggie with your economic specs on and I have my ideological ones on, sure she may have made some shrewd economic moves at the time but people (yer know them human being types) and society suffered for that...sure bringing back slave labour would make great economic sense, imagine how competitive we could be then lol but it aint right now is it?