[Zippy]

In the early hours of the morning Ife, Caoimhe and Shabby were having a good gossip about some of the HMs. This is what they said about the whole John versus Rachael drama. Clearly they feel he's out of order;

Ife starts talking about when Rachael was trying on different clothes for her possible eviction and how it may have bothered John because he thinks she's all about her looks...so it got them started on the John/Rachael issue;

Shabby; but its nothing to do with john thats the point. whether what she does is wrong or what she does is right....
Ife; ..its not wrong its her just being herself
S; That's who she is...and its really really really none of his business. If he doesnt like it then just dont talk to her. I can see that it might grate on him but..
I; Yeah but why does it grate on him so much?
S; Nobody can work it out. Even Josie who thought all along it was sexual tension now no longer believes its that. He just dislikes her soo much.
I; Id love to know why?
Caoimhe; Id love to know why as well.
S; thats pretty weird
I; to have that much hate for somebody...?
C; ..after knowing her for just a week? No.
S; and he told her he disliked her from the moment he met her.
I; *gasp* how can you hate somebody from moment you meet...!??
C; no wonder she was crying..it would've knocked your confidence,like. Y'know?
S; it was a bad week for her. It was bad..really bad timing. This all started the day she found out she was up for eviction too.
C; and that coming from a bloke like? fair enough maybe a girl whose got jealousy...
I; but maybe he went out with a girl who was just like her who broke his heart then whenever he looks at her he see's this girl...?
C; No, I do believe he has issues with women. I do think he does.
S; you reckon?
C; yeah. Im sure of it.

[Zippy]

bit later on...

S; the thing is I think he knows exactly why he doesn't like her but there's something...
I; he told us why..because he thinks that she loves herself?
S; No, I dont believe it. But..thats got nothing to do with him, its not that! Its not that! I don't believe it. It may have something to do with that but why is he soo bothered that she supposedly loves herself? I said to David anyway that I think its funny that you thinks she loves herself because I see it completely the other way. I think she puts on this act because she really has no faith in herself.
C; well she said...she said to me that her Mother brought her up and said that you are to love yourself..and told her how can you love other people if you dont love yourself?
I; yeah she said that to me.
C; she said, what I said on my VT was true, I do love myself but thats how my Mum brought me up.
S; I don't believe it.
C; you don't believe thats how she feels about herself? I do see a girl who's insecure definitely.
S; you know I would love to show Rachael how beautiful she is coz she's..she's gorgeous!
I; you not think she can see that she's pretty? She looks like Beyonce for Gods sake.
S; I think she has days where she can see that she's attractive..then days where..like today when she couldnt find anything to wear. Everything she put on she looked in the mirror and felt like crap. She's very insecure.
I; well, yeah I did say that in the diary room..it must be soo hard to have that face..because, like, Beyonce is who she is. Its like you must lose your identity. No one wants to know about you they just wanna know about...and everytime she walks in the room I actually, not so much now, but I literally cant stop thnking of Beyonce songs. I just have to stop myself..
S; yeah, she looks soo much like her...
I; yeah its actually quite scary because even when she looks up Im like..wow, you dont know how much I love you. But obviously its not her.
S; she's very very pretty.
I; she looks like Beyonce. so that in itself must be so hard..even though it must be amazing to look like Beyonce Id rather look like myself just because ..ya know, you'd have to really force the real you out to get rid of people thinking youre Beyonce. Imagine if she spoke with an American accent it would be really bad. She wouldnt be able to get away from it.


Bang on. I agree totally with their take on it. JJ has woman issues and his hatred is just baffling and unjustified. How can you tell somebody you disliked them from the moment you met them? Idiot.

[Julie10]

Spot on Zippy. Some people are so quick to judge someone based on how they look. And when people say to me I never liked a person from the start I think what an idiot and judgemental person you are and especially if they are sheeping and its not their opinion but other peoples.

Too many people cannot think for themselves. I believe Rachael is very insecure and puts on a front to get through the day without being labelled. Being goodlooking is just as bad as being ugly. Because people want to label you as being a bitch etc. Because it makes them feel better to think you are goodlooking but not a nice person.

I have never heard her say anything nasty about anyone else, she might have an opinion but we are all entitled to that. JJ is just a gurning face little weasle that can't get over whatever his sad little problem is. He is just being nasty and spiteful and yes a two-face which people think is acceptable because he is who he is.

[starry]

All three of them probably love themselves as well lol (particularly Ife and the Irish one).

[alc09]

Ife and Caoimhe are two of the dullest HMs in Big Brother history.

[MrWong]

Josie and Govan had the same kind of conversation.

They don't get the OTT hatred that he has of the girl.

The anger, the ranting, the nasty looks, it's totally irrational in comparison to what she's done.

Also, it was Corin's conversation at the dinner table, discussing the offers that they might get after the show, yet his ire was aimed only at Rach.

Corins allowed to take advantage of mag deals but Rach isn't?

WTF?!

[Julie10]

Originally Posted by starry

All three of them probably love themselves as well lol (particularly Ife and the Irish one).

And what is wrong with loving yourself, its not a crime and why should that bother you or anyone else??

[Zippy]

Mag deals are part and parcel of BB and have been for 10 years. Especially for the young attractive femake HMs. No point denying it.

Lets just see if JJ turns down any mag deals. Doubt it! He's here for the money, no question.

[Julie10]

Originally Posted by alc09

Ife and Caoimhe are two of the dullest HMs in Big Brother history.

And you know that after just a week and a few days?

[Julie10]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Josie and Govan had the same kind of conversation.

They don't get the OTT hatred that he has of the girl.

The anger, the ranting, the nasty looks, it's totally irrational in comparison to what she's done.

Also, it was Corin's conversation at the dinner table, discussing the offers that they might get after the show, yet his ire was aimed only at Rach.

Corins allowed to take advantage of mag deals but Rach isn't?

WTF?!

His swearing about the conversation they were having really showed him up. He was sat on the otherside of the table and was getting very angry and aggressive over something that had nothing to do with him. If I was in there I would have taken him outside and put him out of his misery what a total creepy idiot he is.

[Zippy]

Im actually watching last nights HL show now for first time.

Sorry but his behaviour is just rude and disgraceful. Butting in other peoples convos and ranting. What an absolute dick.

Ugh. One week in and he's already revealing his nasty self. No wonder he's jobless and single.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Mag deals are part and parcel of BB and have been for 10 years. Especially for the young attractive femake HMs. No point denying it.

Lets just see if JJ turns down any mag deals. Doubt it! He's here for the money, no question.

Of course he won't. He'll be telling his story in The Daily Star just like all the other hm's before him that have been offered. It's a given.

Money talks (even the pittance they are offered nowadays) and his Dad's inheritence won't last forever.

[BJ]

JJ is the biggest wannabe in there and I think it's clear he loves himself A LOT. He'll be first in line when it comes to mag deals. He's said himself he'll take his clothes off for mags if he gets offers

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by BJ

JJ is the biggest wannabe in there and I think it's clear he loves himself A LOT. He'll be first in line when it comes to mag deals. He's said himself he'll take his clothes off for mags if he gets offers

Oh reeeeeeally!

So not only is he an irrational, aggressive, knobba, he's a hypocrite too.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Of course he won't. He'll be telling his story in The Daily Star just like all the other hm's before him that have been offered. It's a given.

Money talks (even the pittance they are offered nowadays) and his Dad's inheritence won't last forever.

how do you know he won't? maybe he is true to his word and really isn't interested in any deals.

its funny how those who dislike JJ because he judged people are so quick to judge him!

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

how do you know he won't? maybe he is true to his word and really isn't interested in any deals.

its funny how those who dislike JJ because he judged people are so quick to judge him!

See post further up..

He already admitted that he'd cash in on any mag deals that comes his way.

[Claymores]

At least the Coven are equal-opportunity bitches !

By the time they went to bed they'd had a bitch about almost everyone last night.

They make me puke. In particular, they were throwing daggers at Josy in the hope that she'd leve them and go off to bed so they could start ripping-in.

Oh the irony as well - they were HUGELY indignant that Josy had suggested to scabby the reason she was nominated and could go is that they do act as a separatist trio.

[AngelChair]

Maybe he's more of a Kelly Rowland man?

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by AngelChair

Maybe he's more of a Kelly Rowland man?

Poor Michelle Williams, nobody ever mentions her

[AngelChair]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Poor Michelle Williams, nobody ever mentions her

Who? Is she Venus & Serena's sister??

[Zizz6]

Originally Posted by BJ

JJ is the biggest wannabe in there and I think it's clear he loves himself A LOT.

I think these attacks and all the bitching about Rachael is just some weird game he's playing.

[Niamh.]

I'm sorry but I think you and the three girls are over analyzing his motivations. I really do think he just hates people like that. I understand where he's coming from because I really hate people like that too. In normal life I'm pretty sure everyone has come across people like Rachael but in normal life we can can mumble stuck up cow and walk away and go about our business but everyone is forgetting that they're stuck in a house with eachother with no escape from eachother and so these feeling build and are magnified.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

I'm sorry but I think you and the three girls are over analyzing his motivations. I really do think he just hates people like that. I understand where he's coming from because I really hate people like that too. In normal life I'm pretty sure everyone has come across people like Rachael but in normal life we can can mumble stuck up cow and walk away and go about our business but everyone is forgetting that they're stuck in a house with eachother with no escape from eachother and so these feeling build and are magnified.

thats so true

[Zippy]

Yeah well I hate people who make instant judgements about folk and proceed to be rude aggressive and obsessively hateful towards them.

Call me picky.

But keep kidding yourself that he honestly goes for non attractive girls. *snigger*.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Yeah well I hate people who make instant judgements about folk and proceed to be rude aggressive and obsessively hateful towards them.

Call me picky.

But keep kidding yourself that he honestly goes for non attractive girls. *snigger*.

When did I say anything about him going for non attractive girls?

I said I believe that he just doesn't like people who come across with the attitude that they're better than people and who look down their noses at people.

I do agree with you that he didn't deal with it very well and was too aggressive.