[Jamietwo]

any form of homosexual encounter is an abomination and you will burn in hell , apart from lesbians if thier fit and are fairly discreet about it and don't slack on thier duties of collecting wood and cooking etc .... However God loves sinners and if you repent and turn to our Lord and saviour Gods son jesus christ of nazareth then you can go to heaven. Or something.

seriously though Dave is clearly not homophobic Not like that grumpy little asswipe science who would not even eat the anus of a chicken in case he turned gay.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Phlip

Um, If I wanted to get married to a dude and it was up to him - he'd deny me and my boyfriend marriage. He's a cunt for that.

Then why would you want to be married in a faith you clearly would not believe in since it takes the view that gay marriage is wrong? THAT to me is just being a *****. If gay people want to get married go tie the knot in a register office, not in a church.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Phlip

No, I just said if it was up to him he'd deny me and my BF marriage.

Quite right too, because you would be unreasonable to expect him to compromise his faith for you.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Colbert-Bump

Can't believe housemates are still going on about it, Big Brother should stop them from using it as a reason to nominate Dave.

If anything they are religious bigots who are discriminating against Dave on the grounds of HIS faith. If a muslim cleric had been in the house and had said he would not condone gay marriage, would those "want to be seen jumping on the PC Bandwagon" sheep dare to nominate him for the same reason? I think not - bunch of hypocrites.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by angus58

If anything they are religious bigots who are discriminating against Dave on the grounds of HIS faith. If a muslim cleric had been in the house and had said he would not condone gay marriage, would those "want to be seen jumping on the PC Bandwagon" sheep dare to nominate him for the same reason? I think not - bunch of hypocrites.

good post.

[JustSkipIt]

Angus58 - you are the voice of reason. Is your surname Metatron by any chance?

The Christian faith of over 2000 years old. It is NOT a religion of intolerance and hate, but in the scheme of things, gay marriage is quite a new idea, and the church can't change doctrine every time public opinion shifts - it took over 1300 years just to get the bible written in English.
Besides - if you find the church so repulsive, why on earth would you want to celebrate your wedding there?
Either way, it's not up to Dave – he wouldn't be allowed to marry a gay couple any more than I would.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Phlip

Um, If I wanted to get married to a dude and it was up to him - he'd deny me and my boyfriend marriage. He's a cunt for that.

He has as much right to his opinions as you - get someone else to marry you then - no big deal!

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Colbert-Bump

Can't believe housemates are still going on about it, Big Brother should stop them from using it as a reason to nominate Dave.

Couldn't agree more! It is a cheap shot by the hms and the public - to use his faith as an excuse to personally attack him! Put me off Josie - saw a different side to her then!

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by angus58

Quite right too, because you would be unreasonable to expect him to compromise his faith for you.

Well said!

[Shiner]

Originally Posted by iRyan

He's basically saying, though "You're my friend but sorry, I don't think you deserve the same rights I do".

Well no. He's basically saying "You're my friend but sorry, my bosses believe that at the moment if we cave on this rule some of our existing members might get hacked off and leave the organisation. However not so far from now they will more than likely relax this old fashioned rule to fall in line with the current social standing. If it were up to me I'd do it because I love you but my hands are tied on this. Pass the nail varnish buddy. Is my guy-liner on straight? C'mon let's hug it out."

Y' see he may be boring but he's not a bigot.

[Julie10]

At the end of the day he is a slimeball not on his views about gay relationships but at his acting up by laying around with young men. What message is he giving out? To me it is his desperation not to be nominated that he will do anything to keep these men on his side.

if he doesn't agree with gay relationships fair enough but what is he doing lieing around with men and constantly cosying up to them the fact that he is so desperate he would do that to stay in the house says to me he is sad and not a full christian or whatever he's supposed to be!

Get him out!

[Peter Plunker]

Originally Posted by Julie10

At the end of the day he is a slimeball not on his views about gay relationships but at his acting up by laying around with young men. What message is he giving out? To me it is his desperation not to be nominated that he will do anything to keep these men on his side.

if he doesn't agree with gay relationships fair enough but what is he doing lieing around with men and constantly cosying up to them the fact that he is so desperate he would do that to stay in the house says to me he is sad and not a full christian or whatever he's supposed to be!

Get him out!

That's what Dave is like, he's a tactile bloke. He's like it with me and all our mates and most of us a very happily married.

In the Bible John was described as the one who reclined on Jesus. I'm not comparing Dave to Jesus I'm just saying God has no problems with people getting their cuddle on. It's a just a good old fashioned 'cwtch' as we call it here in Wales.

[ILoveTRW]

Dave is a sick twat, just because you believe in the bible doesn't mean that you have to be homophobic.

[stoney]

it seems that you only have religious freedom in this country as long as its not old fashioned Christianity

Dave tried to explain his position very near the begining. He said that HIS interpretation of the scriptures is that gay marriage is wrong but he has absolutely no problem with gay people as God loves everyone.

Is he not allowed that belief because it doesn't fit into our PC world

what IS mattiage in the eyes of the church It used to be the bringing together of a man and a woman cementing their relationship before having children
Now I'm not so sure what it is meant mean apart from some trendy equal rights tax break

[Peter Plunker]

Originally Posted by ILoveTRW

Dave is a sick twat, just because you believe in the bible doesn't mean that you have to homophobic.

He isn't a homophobe. Bandwagon jump much?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by cazzy555

LOL I believe it's in the book of Job if you wish to look it up

Yeah it does appear in the Book of Job, as a form of test not punishment, It was Satan that inflicted the trials onto Job to prove to God that Job was only devout and worshipping God because of his good fortune and that his faith would waver if ill fortune and illness was heaped upon him.

However in the post I questioned you said

Besides the Bible is full of gay sex

One book isnt the whole Bible!

[Stacey.]

In fairness, I didn't think that reason would be allowed to nominate someone..

As much as I don't like him and don't agree with him, it's only what he believes in.. but I'm sure he said he doesn't have a problem with gays, yet he thinks gay marriage is wrong.. bit odd.

[CaraRawr]

Originally Posted by Zee

I think it's a bit unfair on Dave to be picked up on that. He's absolutely cool with gay people being in the house; he's quite blatantly not homophobic - he's a Christian, of course he's going to disagree with gay marriage - I actually think he should be viewed in a positive light for being fine with gay people in spite of his religious beliefs.

This.

[Jack_]

At the end of the day, it isn't a personal opinion. Gay people have and should be entitled to the same rights as everyone else. Fact.

[Chuckyegg]

How kind and loving of him to be cool with the gay people around him. Bless him for not kicking off about it. He doesn't have a problem with gay people. They are evil but he loves them. Get that asshole out of there ffs.

[calyman]

Dave is clearly not homophobic but equally clearly is prepared to side with a homophobic ruling within his faith that refuses same sex marriage. He cannot have the best of both worlds. He must either say that part of his faith is unnaceptable and then strive to change it, or accept that a fundemental spiritual core belief tells him what he must believe and he should defend it. Any other way is just duplicity.

I have strong personal beliefs, if there is something about my belief that contradicts my own views then I have a dilemma if I take the fence sitting role. I would take a stand, as I did when I had issues with the Catholic Church and chose to turn by back on it because of it's hypocrisy and intolerence.

Dave and his faith cannot be respected while he thinks it's acceptable to take the middle route and please neither his church, nor those his church insults and offends.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by stoney

it seems that you only have religious freedom in this country as long as its not old fashioned Christianity

Dave tried to explain his position very near the begining. He said that HIS interpretation of the scriptures is that gay marriage is wrong but he has absolutely no problem with gay people as God loves everyone.

Is he not allowed that belief because it doesn't fit into our PC world

what IS mattiage in the eyes of the church It used to be the bringing together of a man and a woman cementing their relationship before having children
Now I'm not so sure what it is meant mean apart from some trendy equal rights tax break

Its not only Daves view, nor any particular churches view, its the law of the land. Homosexuals are allowed to commit themselves in a civil partnership ceremony. This isnt marriage. It treats gays in a separate legal status from opposite sex couples. Although it does actually give them the same rights and responsibilities it still has not altered the Marriage Act.

I dont see how you can call Dave hypocritical for following his religion, surely the hypocrites are the ones who know that in the eyes of some churches a homosexual liaison/relationship is sinning yet expect that church to perform a marriage to endorse what they regard as a state of sin.

What next rapists asking the local minister to bless the bottle of rohypnol, or their hammer?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Jack_

At the end of the day, it isn't a personal opinion. Gay people have and should be entitled to the same rights as everyone else. Fact.

Yes and religious organisations have the right to have their belief respected. Maybe one day church organisations will review their belief about it and change but at the moment most churches dont accept it.

Perhaps those who criticise religions should work to achieve equal rights for women inside religious organisations.

[calyman]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Its not only Daves view, nor any particular churches view, its the law of the land. Homosexuals are allowed to commit themselves in a civil partnership ceremony. This isnt marriage. It treats gays in a separate legal status from opposite sex couples. Although it does actually give them the same rights and responsibilities it still has not altered the Marriage Act.

I dont see how you can call Dave hypocritical for following his religion, surely the hypocrites are the ones who know that in the eyes of some churches a homosexual liaison/relationship is sinning yet expect that church to perform a marriage to endorse what they regard as a state of sin.

What next rapists asking the local minister to bless the bottle of rohypnol, or their hammer?

You need to consider what the Church has condoned through the centuries, it's attitude not just to Gay people, but also women, slavery, it's involvement in genocide, it's Inquisitions, it's murdering those who'se scientific enquiry challenged the Church, it's selling of salvation for money. The Church has done all of that but mostly changed it's stance. Is it such a major step to do likewise with regard to Gay marriage?

A marriage is a union, a construct, a social or legal agreement. it does not exist in some rarified exalted place that only certain people who meet unnaceptable standards are entitled to. Marriage is and should be open to all.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Julie10

At the end of the day he is a slimeball not on his views about gay relationships but at his acting up by laying around with young men. What message is he giving out? To me it is his desperation not to be nominated that he will do anything to keep these men on his side.

if he doesn't agree with gay relationships fair enough but what is he doing lieing around with men and constantly cosying up to them the fact that he is so desperate he would do that to stay in the house says to me he is sad and not a full christian or whatever he's supposed to be!

Get him out!

What do you mean laying around with young men - would you rather he treated them as if they had the plague or something - you would be quick to have a go at him then! He is a naturally friendly, tactile person - age has bugger all to do with it - he is doing nothing wrong! You have some very antiquated ideas about how religious people should behave! Would you rather he sat there with a scowl on his face - tutting at everyone!