[setanta]

Originally Posted by Nate

Repetition here but it wouldn't of been that if it was 2-2

Yes, it would have - Germany were better than you at everything today. You had a ten minute spell before halftime and that's about it. Germany should have been 3 or 4 goals up at that stage and sure they stopped playing after the 4th one went in, bringing 3 subs on at the same time.

[Locke.]

I'm scared to go on twitter because I know I'll end up wanting to kill some of the people I'm following.

[King Gizzard]

Originally Posted by setanta

Yes, it would have - Germany were better than you at everything today. You had a ten minute spell before halftime and that's about it. Germany should have been 3 or 4 goals up at that stage and sure they stopped playing after the 4th one went in, bringing 3 subs on at the same time.

Their goals were all counter attacks at the end, if it was 2-2, we wouldn't have had all our players up the other side of the pitch and it wouldn't of been so easy for them

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by setanta

Yes, it would have - Germany were better than you at everything today. You had a ten minute spell before halftime and that's about it. Germany should have been 3 or 4 goals up at that stage and sure they stopped playing after the 4th one went in, bringing 3 subs on at the same time.

think they wanted to keep something in the tank for Argentina

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Locke.

I'm scared to go on twitter because I know I'll end up wanting to kill some of the people I'm following.

wouldnt go near mine for a day or two.....or laurens.....actually yeah id stay off for a bit LOL

[setanta]

Originally Posted by Nate

Their goals were all counter attacks at the end, if it was 2-2, we wouldn't have had all our players up the other side of the pitch and it wouldn't of been so easy for them

They were opening you up at will prior to your first goal. It could have been a cricket score, seriously. They just got shakey when you scored against the run of play, that's all.

And anyway, you didn't have to push so many players up at 2-1. It was crazy and you were punished by the better team. Your defence was hopeless and they outplayed you, very simple really.

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by bbfan1991

Definetly Setanta and thats what most England fans are saying.

It is worrying in terms of the ages the players will be at the time of the next WC and the talent that is coming through at the moment..

England actually needs to move on from this generation! I have said it time and time again. THey are the most over rated team in the world. Yeah, they are solid, but they dont have real playmakers. They dont have great players that are naturally talented. The team is a bunch of military style players who follow instructions. They dont have a Messi, a David Villa, a Ronaldinho etc....
YOu need some flair to win the WC!

The think is the same players have been selected in the national team for a very long time now. None of the young players are given a chance. They dumped THeo Walcott, one of the rare players who play with freedom. The ones that they actually ahve in this team, didnt get to play much. Aaron Lennon started one game, and then was dumped. Same for SWP. Guys like Jenas. Joe Cole is another one, needed to play a lot more. And th3y have a l0t more good young players, but they arent given a chance.

Look at Germany. Thjey made it to the semis last WC, but this team has a bunch of new players. Yet look at them Same for most ofd the big teams.
YOu need to move on from the Lampard, Ashley cole, John terry etc.....

[GiRTh]

Agree with Nate. The disallowed goal was huge. In the end Germany won easily but the non-goal swung the game in their favour. After that England still had to chase the game opening up massive holes at the back.

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by Nemo123

think they wanted to keep something in the tank for Argentina

I wouldn't rule out Mexico just yet.. although we all know what Argentina can do with Messi and co at their best.

[Nemo123]

Capello never managed a national team before. Should have got Trap - cheaper too.

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by Nate

Their goals were all counter attacks at the end, if it was 2-2, we wouldn't have had all our players up the other side of the pitch and it wouldn't of been so easy for them

2-1 at hALFTIME, is not a desperate score dude. And England dont have the players to go all out like that. If they opened massive holes at 2-1, its their fault. They shouldve continued to play the same, but I think they still wouldve lost at 2-2. NOt as big, but they woudlve lost anyways!

[setanta]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Agree with Nate. The disallowed goal was huge. In the end Germany won easily but the non-goal swung the game in their favour. After that England still had to chase the game opening up massive holes at the back.

You still didn't perform, forget about the goal. You were rubbish and they were able to open you up with precise passing. Don't be making excuses for a terrible performance. Sure the lads on BBC even called it abysmal.

[Jase]

Originally Posted by Nate

Surprisingly I'm already over it ;s

Same

[bbfan1991]

We're hyped up too much and we know that there will always be disappointment.. the players simply have too much pressure and not coming up with the goods.

[alc09]

Deserved defeat.

Any side with the likes of Glen Johnson, Matthew Upson, Gareth Barry and Emile Heskey in it is never going to win a world cup.

Only player to come out of this with any credit is Ashley Cole, and maybe Dvaid James.

I never expected us to progress any further to start with, to be honest. Don't feel anything for those wankers.

[Locke.]

Originally Posted by setanta

You still didn't perform, forget about the goal. You were rubbish and they were able to open you up with precise passing. Don't be making excuses for a terrible performance. Sure the lads on BBC even called it abysmal.

It was an awful performance, but that does not mean that if it was 2-2 at half time we would have still lost. Anything could have happened. Sure, there's obviously still the chance we would have lost, but there's a better chance of us winning at 2-2 then at 2-1 for obvious reasons. We wouldn't have been throwing everyone forward as much as we did, the players would have been less pissed off about having a clear goal dissallowed, and the half time talk woulda been completely different.

You're saying that we would have definitely lost no matter what, well a similar thing happened to your precious Ireland a few months ago. Would they still have definitely lost if Henry didn't handle the ball into the back of the net? No. Same thing here.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Locke.

It was an awful performance, but that does not mean that if it was 2-2 at half time we would have still lost. Anything could have happened. Sure, there's obviously still the chance we would have lost, but there's a better chance of us winning at 2-2 then at 2-1 for obvious reasons. We wouldn't have been throwing everyone forward as much as we did, the players would have been less pissed off about having a clear goal dissallowed, and the half time talk woulda been completely different.

You're saying that we would have definitely lost no matter what, well a similar thing happened to your precious Ireland a few months ago. Would they still have definitely lost if Henry didn't handle the ball into the back of the net? No. Same thing here.

so by your reckoning i can go and rip the piss out of England now?? because i do remember that happeneing when Henry handled the ball......

[Nemo123]

There is a strong case for amateurism. Do athletes perform any less bad for getting paid not very much? Rugby players? North Koreans?

No!

Give the manager's job to the best candidate who will do it for expenses only.

[setanta]

Originally Posted by Locke.

It was an awful performance, but that does not mean that if it was 2-2 at half time we would have still lost. Anything could have happened. Sure, there's obviously still the chance we would have lost, but there's a better chance of us winning at 2-2 then at 2-1 for obvious reasons. We wouldn't have been throwing everyone forward as much as we did, the players would have been less pissed off about having a clear goal dissallowed, and the half time talk woulda been completely different.

You're saying that we would have definitely lost no matter what, well a similar thing happened to your precious Ireland a few months ago. Would they still have definitely lost if Henry didn't handle the ball into the back of the net? No. Same thing here.

The best team got through, that's the reality here. They were opening you up at 0-0 nevermind 2-1, and that wouldn't have changed at 2-2. They thoroughly deserved their win.

The difference with the handball with Henry was the fact that we were outplaying the French, whereas you should have been about four goals down at that point. I don't see the point in making excuses for how badly you played out there.

[Locke.]

Originally Posted by Iceman

so by your reckoning i can go and rip the piss out of England now?? because i do remember that happeneing when Henry handled the ball......

Well you just said that you already have been on twitter... But yeah, we expect it anyway. Setanta's been doing it for weeks.

[Wildcat!]

Dont use the Ireland argument David,. BEcause what we use to tell the Irish fans is, if the goal wasnt allowed, you probably still woudlve lost.
SO if you use that logic, then we can say England probably still wouldve lost!


Anyways, I think Germanys system was a lot better. ANd it seems the England players, plaing so many games in the season, were more tired than the german. That germany team isnt great. Slovenia sucks, Algeria sucks, so this is not that surprising!

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Locke.

Well you just said that you already have been on twitter... But yeah, we expect it anyway. Setanta's been doing it for weeks.

no i havent actually...not as bad as most on there, yeah im having a laugh at it, nothing malicious or anything.....

[setanta]

Originally Posted by Locke.

Well you just said that you already have been on twitter... But yeah, we expect it anyway. Setanta's been doing it for weeks.

~Eh, is it wrong to criticize a team that have underperformed at a World Cup? That's not ripping the pi$$ out of your team... that's reality. Something is wrong in that England camp, big time.

[Nemo123]

The Germans prepare in the mind. That's Germans for you. They study and make notes of the opposition. Like Lehman with the penalties. It gives them the edge.

[InOne]

My wife said, "Maybe this mini-heatwave affected the England team"

Get back in the kitchen woman for fucks sake and let me mourn in peace.