[Angus]

Originally Posted by Stu

No, David and his group explicitly make clear that they get drunk on Jesus Juice. Not relaxed spiritual state, not meditative, not anything which bears comparison to anything other than alcohol and a definate booze intoxication. They claim to get drunk. Pissed. Bottled. Sloshed. And they act it all out, too.

Personally although it's riddiculous I do think he believes it himself. After all it is possible to frenzy yourself into a manic state through ritual without the aid of psychotropic substances as has been documented by various cultures and rituals throughout history. Of course it's all in ones head, then the person attributes it to their own personal Jesus [hey hey hey], simply substitute Jesus for X.

Of course those of us ... what's the term? Oh yeah, rationalists - know it's impossible. It's hillarious that people see it as being somehting that is open to debate. It's not a case of respecting someones beliefs or opening yourself up to possibilities. You just can't get drunk from reading The Bible. Sorry.

I'm not wasting my time debating with someone whose mind is so closed that they can't see any point of view but their own. I feel sorry for you, but can't be arsed explaining my point any further. For the record I do not follow any form of organised religion but I sure as hell respect the beliefs of others. You can no more DISPROVE religion than you can PROVE it, so why not just admit that and move on? Instead you assert your opinion as if it were a proven fact - talk about arrogant.