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05-07-2010, 11:43 AM | #26 | |||
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On the subject matter, I don't think MPs get paid enough for what they do. I am not condoning the MPs' scandal and some of the outrageous expenses claims for a second, but compare their salaries to a lot of BBC presenters. |
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05-07-2010, 11:53 AM | #27 | ||
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05-07-2010, 11:54 AM | #28 | |||
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Personally, I don’t think people should run for Parliament in order to make money. Our MP’s salaries are low in comparison to just about every other country but to compare them to TV presenters is a bit silly.
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05-07-2010, 12:29 PM | #29 | |||
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Yes, and thats central to the point I am making, but its what they choose to show, and why, is whats being questioned here. Their choice of what to include is so selective and biased it amounts to a whitewash.
Why, do you think, honestly, they chose to not show the rest of the HM hearing the speakers revealing more of Ben's lies to them on the sofas, and the further fall out? In that Ben is revealed about having lied to them about being asked to do 'something nasty' to the group and they found out that he cost them their suitcases. It's a really important event in terms of the house. There is no entertainment value in that? Ofc there this, it just didnt suit the obvious agenda and how they want people thinking. Why show Shabby, for instance, having yet another (minor) tantrum instead, when thats ALL they show of her? Is that really entertaining? Really? or does it just suit their agenda for her? I think the answer is obvious though. No one is saying they should put out an hour of political debate, thats ridiculous, but if you had actually watched that debate in full then you would know that the snippets of it they chose didnt show Ben at all to be what he is, to the point of condoning the expensies abuse we have seen recently. Instead they used it to present Nathan as a thugish bully (as is their agenda for him). I'm not even a Nathan supporter, but it's just obvious. I am amazed that adults are even rationalising it.
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05-07-2010, 02:16 PM | #30 | |||
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But as I haven't heard what Ben said exactly its hard for me to comment in any more depth. I dare say that Ben is using his time inside the house to further some career he wants after leaving the house. Perhaps as the series continues we will know more. Last edited by AndyJK; 05-07-2010 at 02:18 PM. |
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05-07-2010, 02:51 PM | #31 | ||
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ben is BBs loved one right now though, thats clear, but that wont last forever. we deserve a good hearted honest funny winner for the last BB and that isnt ben by a long shot.. well... he is funny sometimes, but to laugh at, but not with if you get me? only 10% of ben has been shown on TV and i honestly think thats why so many dont see him for what he is, but that will change Last edited by Tamtam; 05-07-2010 at 02:52 PM. |
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05-07-2010, 04:21 PM | #32 | |||
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There is a lot of people out there with completly wrong impression of what Bens about, simply because he is constantly protected (while other HMs such as Govan, Shabby, and Nathan constantly only have their bad sides shown) by BB's whitewash editing. It's honestly them just laughing at how easily the viewing public is manipulated like unquestioning morons.
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05-07-2010, 04:26 PM | #33 | |||
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BB is an edited show, even the live feed is edited so i guess they can miss bits out etc but i'm sure HM's i dislike have said things which i wouldn't like but it hasn't appeared on LF.
It does appear you are taking out your political angst on a gameshow contestant which is fine just think it is a bit misdirected lol. |
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05-07-2010, 04:49 PM | #34 | |||
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I get the show is edited, obviously. I get that they can only get so much in, obviously. What this thread is dealing with is why they chose to leave out what they did on Ben, which was massively important in terms of the house story and very entertaining, and show what they did on others in much less important situations (shabby having yet another minor rage for instance). It's talking about the whitewash that obviously happening with him. It's also about how that blatant bias shows how little they think of a public that blindly accepts it (or, indeed, rationalises it) and the fact that they think we are all moronic saps. The thing is, if you agree with it and rationalise it for HMs you happen to like you give away any kind of moral high ground for complaint when they do it your fav in turn.
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05-07-2010, 08:13 PM | #35 | |||
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I agree that not showing Ben defending the MPs over the expenses scandal robbed the entire debate of its context. It made it seem as though Nathan was just having a go at Ben and suggesting that MPs were lazy, apropos of nothing.
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05-07-2010, 08:28 PM | #36 | ||
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05-07-2010, 08:34 PM | #37 | |||
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From all the series of BB I have seen I don't think there has ever not been a discussion about BB manipulating highlights making house mates look either good, bad, boring or whatever, and this has been the case right from series 1. |
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05-07-2010, 08:35 PM | #38 | |||
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05-07-2010, 08:37 PM | #39 | |||
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Quote:Even the HMs have not made a big thing about Ben's cover being blown so it obviously is not as big a deal as some make out. Exactly,it's more of a big deal for the desperados that want everyone to dislike him,pathetic really.
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05-07-2010, 08:40 PM | #40 | |||
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Tbh, If thats how you feel from the HLs alone, then I dread to think what you would think of him with his full picture of his sniping, whispered bitching, manipulating, grooming, back stabbing his friends, and outright lying I know you like him from the kind edit from the HLs, but thats actually my point here. The HL Ben isnt the real Ben, it's the BB whitewashed Ben.
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I get that only parts can be shown, people don't need to keep saying the same thing here. I have addressed that already. This thread is about what they choose to include and what they obviously aim to achieve with it's inclusion. And how they are playing you.
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05-07-2010, 08:46 PM | #43 | |||
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The one she left because of obviously wasnt. This is scrabbling somewhat now to support the point tbh.
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05-07-2010, 08:50 PM | #44 | |||
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Context dosent matter, as long as the producers get the public thinking according to their agenda for each HM. And you still have supposedly veteran BB viewers lapping it up and rationalising it. Amazing really.
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05-07-2010, 09:06 PM | #45 | |||
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We could also talk about the obvious ommission of Bens 'I have a dolce & gabbana jacket that costs more then all your clothes together" sneering retort to being asked to not get JJs good shirt sweaty in a physical task.
Enough people remarked on it here to start a sizable thread, it obviously sparked interest, but it was obviously cut off the end of the tiff in order to protect Ben from looking like a sneering b1tch. More whitewash.
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05-07-2010, 09:20 PM | #46 | |||
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I've fallen for their biased editing before. In fact, people who do watch the livefeed have missed context before and been surprised when things emerged later that were twisted by BB.
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05-07-2010, 10:29 PM | #47 | |||
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Sorry, a little confused... do you mean 'highlights'?
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05-07-2010, 11:03 PM | #48 | |||
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I meant that even the livefeed can be misleading. They can cut away from conversations and miss out important bits that give stuff context, but everyone assumes the livefeed is utterly reliable.
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05-07-2010, 11:09 PM | #49 | |||
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Live feed may be reliable,but some posters quoting from it are not.
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