[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

British Law my ass !!! They think they can shut us up by threatening lawsuits .... idiots !!!

Lawsuits - where did that come from - noone mentioned lawsuits!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Incensed

Well it would be easier to debate opposing views if one didn't use rhetorical language maybe?

We're not debating opposing views. You're being argumentative and trying to point-score for some kind of perceived victory. One was using rhetoric on the premise that you would understand that. I normally don't have to explain myself when I debate with someone who has a point.

I don't care to continue this tit-for-tat childishness with you.

[housemate]

How does the OP think that the likes of Koresh, Jones or countless other Cult leaders managed to keep their groups going? The whole point of a Cults stucture is to appear harmless! They are not foolish enough to declare their accounts, methods and/or means of recruiting/funding etc.. although Dave does seem to be a looser cannon than most!
Look at Koresh, it took them years to pin any wrongdoing on him, in the end it came down to the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms to finally dig out a criminal offence!!
Is the OP suggesting that Koresh, Jones etc etc were just 'good ol boys' .. harmless untill they became responsible for mass atrocities ... equally, does the OP believe that the Families, who suffered the ostracism from their (now proven to be) financially exploited then slaughtered loved ones, would refute the cynanism and despair expessed toward Crowther and Dave?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by housemate

How does the OP think that the likes of Koresh, Jones or countless other Cult leaders managed to keep their groups going? The whole point of a Cults stucture is to appear harmless! They are not foolish enough to declare their accounts, methods and/or means of recruiting/funding etc.. although Dave does seem to be a looser cannon than most!
Look at Koresh, it took them years to pin any wrongdoing on him, in the end it came down to the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms to finally dig out a criminal offence!!
Is the OP suggesting that Koresh, Jones etc etc were just 'good ol boys' .. harmless untill they became responsible for mass atrocities ... equally, does the OP believe that the Families, who suffered the ostracism from their (now proven to be) financially exploited then slaughtered loved ones, would refute the cynanism and despair expessed toward Crowther and Dave?

Well said ,i have been trying to think of the other charlatans name all day ,he had blood on his hands and when the brown sticky stuff hit the whirly thing he killed dozens to cover up his wrong-doings ,sheer evil,IF Dave and his mob wanted to be "Born again Christians"as the claim they are (looks better on the CV than "cult leader") why not just nip along to any PROPER church on a Sunday morning where i am sure they would be made welcome

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by housemate

How does the OP think that the likes of Koresh, Jones or countless other Cult leaders managed to keep their groups going? The whole point of a Cults stucture is to appear harmless! They are not foolish enough to declare their accounts, methods and/or means of recruiting/funding etc.. although Dave does seem to be a looser cannon than most!
Look at Koresh, it took them years to pin any wrongdoing on him, in the end it came down to the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms to finally dig out a criminal offence!!
Is the OP suggesting that Koresh, Jones etc etc were just 'good ol boys' .. harmless untill they became responsible for mass atrocities ... equally, does the OP believe that the Families, who suffered the ostracism from their (now proven to be) financially exploited then slaughtered loved ones, would refute the cynanism and despair expessed toward Crowther and Dave?

To compare Dave to Jones or Koresh is just unnecessary scaremongering!

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Dave is anything of the kind! Just more wild assumptions based on a few vids that, as most accept, are wide open to interpretation! The expression about mountains and molehills comes to mind! Sigh!

If these were medieval times - poor Dave would have been burned at the stake by now, without a trial, and simply based on some wild accusations from a few hysterical old women - with their own agendas!

[Beso]

the women in this thread need to tuck their gussets in, their flaps are showing.

[stonedape]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

To compare Dave to Jones or Koresh is just unnecessary scaremongering!

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Dave is anything of the kind! Just more wild assumptions based on a few vids that, as most accept, are wide open to interpretation! The expression about mountains and molehills comes to mind! Sigh!

If these were medieval times - poor Dave would have been burned at the stake by now, without a trial, and simply based on some wild accusations from a few hysterical old women - with their own agendas!

100% right on your first point, 50% right on your second point, 0% right on your third!

As despicable as his "con man" behavior is, claiming to heal amputees etc, pretending like this is uncommon in Christian circles is willfully naive.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by coolestrock

ive seen many you tube videos of dave,,,,and i have to say that he makes me feel very uncomfortable with the claims he makes,,,,the guy is very creepy. Anyone making money from religion of any type is a conman or did god tell you to take money of ppl to make a living.

So that would apply to all clergy from the Pope and Archbishop of Canterbury downwards I suppose?

[housemate]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

To compare Dave to Jones or Koresh is just unnecessary scaremongering!

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Dave is anything of the kind! Just more wild assumptions based on a few vids that, as most accept, are wide open to interpretation! The expression about mountains and molehills comes to mind! Sigh!

If these were medieval times - poor Dave would have been burned at the stake by now, without a trial, and simply based on some wild accusations from a few hysterical old women - with their own agendas!

..Koresh and Jones were defended in much the same way, using much the same arguments in their day.
Hysterical Old Woman? ... I'm younger than Dave and most definatly not hysterical. My 'agenda' is keeping my fingers crossed for Sam ... as explained to you earlier, I have a lot of money on Dave staying in this Friday ... my new Camera, bought from winnings will compensate me handsomly for the dissapointment ... if I lose my stake I consider it a fair price for the satisfaction.

[calyman]

Originally Posted by Livia

Dave is no more a con man than any other "preacher".

Well any practioner of superstition can be accussed of being called a con man.

[stonedape]

Originally Posted by calyman

Well any practioner of superstition can be accussed of being called a con man.

Right. I'd only call Dave a con man if we're going to be so broad that all clergy are con men. Which they are, knowingly or unknowingly.

[Incensed]

Originally Posted by Livia

We're not debating opposing views. You're being argumentative and trying to point-score for some kind of perceived victory. One was using rhetoric on the premise that you would understand that. I normally don't have to explain myself when I debate with someone who has a point.

I don't care to continue this tit-for-tat childishness with you.

Thank the Lord. Glory.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by stonedape

Right. I'd only call Dave a con man if we're going to be so broad that all clergy are con men. Which they are, knowingly or unknowingly.

"Clergy" wtf has Dave got to do with the "Clergy"he is NOT clergy ,you or i could set up a cult ,he has nothing whatsoever to do with the COE ,or any other legit religion ,its a business,nothing more,nothing less

[Incensed]

Originally Posted by parmnion

the women in this thread need to tuck their gussets in, their flaps are showing.

Just how old are you?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Incensed

Thank the Lord. Glory.

Took you over an hour to come up with that crushing reply. And it wasn't worth the wait. Now... off you go to my 'ignore' list. Or as I like to call it, P Wing.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by calyman

Well any practioner of superstition can be accussed of being called a con man.

Good thing Christianity isn't a superstition. Dave's beliefs are.

[stonedape]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

"Clergy" wtf has Dave got to do with the "Clergy"he is NOT clergy ,you or i could set up a cult ,he has nothing whatsoever to do with the COE ,or any other legit religion ,its a business,nothing more,nothing less

Uhh....someone didn't get my point. I wasn't making any statement on whether Dave is a part of the clergy, I was saying if you're going to call Dave a con man, you have to call the clergy con men too. And all people who sell myths for a living, and that includes Christianity in all its versions.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by fingers

All will be revealed once he is evicted and his contract comes to an end.

Fingers, will the media 'censor' be lifted at that time?

I was wondering if you can tell us how C4 keeps the other media from reporting David's actual source of income.

Also wondering how you know about this and maybe you can explain why you are forbidden by C4 to report your information?
Did they contact you and make you sign a contract?

Feel free to explain a little more about this 'media censorship' thing and David?

[Incensed]

Originally Posted by Livia

Took you over an hour to come up with that crushing reply. And it wasn't worth the wait. Now... off you go to my 'ignore' list. Or as I like to call it, P Wing.

Because I've just been watching the HL show and not sat here waiting for a reply like you obviously have.

[housemate]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

"Clergy" wtf has Dave got to do with the "Clergy"he is NOT clergy ,you or i could set up a cult ,he has nothing whatsoever to do with the COE ,or any other legit religion ,its a business,nothing more,nothing less

Absolutly Agree .. he is a self appointed minister with no grounding, training or learning in any Faith or Body. We are all able (legally) to do this ... morally speaking, well thats another question.

[calyman]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

Good thing Christianity isn't a superstition. Dave's beliefs are.

Any irrational or faith based beliefs qualify as being superstitious purely on the basis that there is no real scientific basis behind them. Therefore any practioner of any such beliefs are indeed charlatans, however well meaning they may try to convince the rest of us they are.


If proof is required, then it's the charlatan who must prove to all, that they deserve our credulity and acceptance of their claims. In the absence of such prood, they are just flim flam artists, promising nothing but Pie In The Sky When We Die.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Incensed

Just how old are you?

old enough to realise a flap showing when I see one.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

Good thing Christianity isn't a superstition. Dave's beliefs are.

Dave's beliefs aren't any less valid because he believes something different to you. He believes Jesus died on the cross for the salvation of mankind and that God loves everyone. Sounds pretty Christian to me.

I think all religions are superstition that have been used over the centuries to control the masses with the promise of an afterlife. Unfounded, unproven, made up of stories written thousands years ago and almost totally debunked by science. Personal point of view, obviously.

[stoney]

was it Marx that said that religion is the opium of the masses?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by stonedape

Uhh....someone didn't get my point. I wasn't making any statement on whether Dave is a part of the clergy, I was saying if you're going to call Dave a con man, you have to call the clergy con men too. And all people who sell myths for a living, and that includes Christianity in all its versions.

You are STILL linking him to the clergy