[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I dont agree with any form of discrimination. But comparing someone being slagged off for being fat and someone being slagged off because they are gay, is ridiculous IMO.

And its not right, but yes, people do discriminate on both of what you said too.

you said on one of your past posts that you thought all discrimination are as bad as each other?

[Lee.]

Do me a favour everybody? Completely disregard my last two posts!!
I'm having a very blonde moment! hahahahaha wrong thread! dumb bitch!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

you said on one of your past posts that you thought all discrimination are as bad as each other?

I dont class calling someone fat as discrimination though as such.

Though it isn't nice.

As it IS something that people can change.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by happyland

Do me a favour everybody? Completely disregard my last two posts!!
I'm having a very blonde moment! hahahahaha wrong thread! dumb bitch!

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

No idea, give me two secs :S

Is it in this thread?

Vicky.. ignore me.
Just being thick!

[Bigbrofan25]

nice to know most people are being civil about this this time

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I dont class calling someone fat as discrimination though as such.

Though it isn't nice.

As it IS something that people can change.

well michael jackson proved he could change his colour so does that mean then that racism is not discrimination?

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by happyland

Anybody?

All I said was "Excellent post " or something... which it was. It wasn't offensive or derogatory, so why was it also deleted??

Are you talking to yourself again Lee? Voices in the head?

In answer to your question there seem to be a lot of deletions today! Can't ever find the bleddy posts I was gonna be sarcy back with!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by happyland

Do me a favour everybody? Completely disregard my last two posts!!
I'm having a very blonde moment! hahahahaha wrong thread! dumb bitch!

haha no probs

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

well michael jackson proved he could change his colour so does that mean then that racism is not discrimination?

Are you honestly being serious?

You thiink having your skin bleached...or the 'official' reason of getting a skin disorder, is the same as going on a diet?!

[Shardlake]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

As it IS something that people can change.

I dont want to be pedantic and dont want to get into a long drawn out argument over it, but that is not strictly true. Some medications will make you put on weight and if that person has mobility problems or in a wheelchair for example there is not a lot they are able to do short of starving themselves.

Making fun of people because of their weight IS discrimination and making fun of someone who is overweight shows ignorance as you dont know if that person is on medication or has some medical condition causing their excess weight or whether they are just a lazy so and so, which in itself s still not a reason to accept making fun of someones weight.

If someone is lazy, doesnt want to exercise, comfort eats and is not on any medication causing it, there will almost always be an emotional issue be it depression or low self esteem. Making fun of such a person will only make them feel worse. So no I dont think it should be any more acceptable than commenting on colour or sexuality.

People who say these kind of things on internet forums should ask themselves before posting whether they would say what they are typing to a persons face. If the answer is no then dont type it.

[Chuckyegg]

Vicky how do you stand all this day in day out, it must be soul destroying.

[Abhorsen]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I dont class calling someone fat as discrimination though as such.

Though it isn't nice.

As it IS something that people can change.

If you treat someone differently because of a physical attribute then you are discriminating, whether you personally choose to call it that, it still is by definition.

It is a cheap excuse to say weight is OK to bully people with because in your opinion they can change. And you cannot say being gay is genetic because it simply is not - there is no evidence for that claim. For example a gay mother or father is no more likely to father or mother a gay child!!! Being gay is more to do with gender psychology than genetics!!!

I think it is wrong to discriminate on the grounds of APPEARANCE, whatever that is.

Being gay and being black cannot be considered in the same category, one IS a life choice the other you are born with - being black is what you are born with.

Whether we should discriminate on life choices is a separate matter to physical attributes or genetic conditions.

For example, if someone is a drunk driver and loses their legs in an accident, on visual appearances alone you would sympathise with them, but their disability would have been due to a life choice? Should we also discriminate against parents who know they may pass on a genetic disease? Or their offspring, as that is a life choice?

[Vicky.]

I dont agree with taking the piss out of someone for being fat, but I dont see it as the same as rasicm or homophobia. May have been a better way of putting it then.

I am aware some people CANT lose weight, but the example we were given, of Josie...she was called fat because she constantly went on about it HERSELF, thus drawing attention to it, and also ate a LOT more than an average person would and lay in bed all day. She was not fat entering the house. But she became fat inside the house, so I think its obvious that there wasn't really a medical reason for it, it was just a case of being greedy and lazy.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Are you honestly being serious?

You thiink having your skin bleached...or the 'official' reason of getting a skin disorder, is the same as going on a diet?!

he still changed his colour of skin so yes i am, and also i cant believe im arguing on a mod over whats right and wrong.

[iRyan]

It's about WHITE people slagging off Makosi and STRAIGHT people slagging off Brian.

So your point is invalid. Of course a white heterosexual male making a comment about another white heterosexual male is nothing.

[BB_Eye]

I'm sure Nadia has plenty of critics that hate her for her personality. It's just that when people refer to her as 'he' or 'it' or 'Bob the Builder', it doesn't really help their argument.

Some of the "people don't fancy Makosi, because they are racist" type comments have been really OTT though.

[Shardlake]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I dont agree with taking the piss out of someone for being fat, but I dont see it as the same as rasicm or homophobia. May have been a better way of putting it then.

I am aware some people CANT lose weight, but the example we were given, of Josie...she was called fat because she constantly went on about it HERSELF, thus drawing attention to it, and also ate a LOT more than an average person would and lay in bed all day. She was not fat entering the house. But she became fat inside the house, so I think its obvious that there wasn't really a medical reason for it, it was just a case of being greedy and lazy.

Due to obvious emotional issues that she has, evidenced by her being 25 and still sucking her thumb. It does not and should not make her any more of a target for ridicule just because it's not a visually obvious affliction.


If she saw some of the threads that have been created about her over the past few months on various sites she would have a breakdown

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

he still changed his colour of skin so yes i am, and also i cant believe im arguing on a mod over whats right and wrong.

I can, since you appear to be following me round disagreeing with everything i say anyways.

So, you think that people should be able to be racist, because it is perfectly easy for a black person to get their skin bleached?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I dont agree with taking the piss out of someone for being fat, but I dont see it as the same as rasicm or homophobia. May have been a better way of putting it then.

I am aware some people CANT lose weight, but the example we were given, of Josie...she was called fat because she constantly went on about it HERSELF, thus drawing attention to it, and also ate a LOT more than an average person would and lay in bed all day. She was not fat entering the house. But she became fat inside the house, so I think its obvious that there wasn't really a medical reason for it, it was just a case of being greedy and lazy.

you seem to have forgotten i mentioned dave aswell?

[Abhorsen]

Originally Posted by Shardlake

I dont want to be pedantic and dont want to get into a long drawn out argument over it, but that is not strictly true. Some medications will make you put on weight and if that person has mobility problems or in a wheelchair for example there is not a lot they are able to do short of starving themselves.

Making fun of people because of their weight IS discrimination and making fun of someone who is overweight shows ignorance as you dont know if that person is on medication or has some medical condition causing their excess weight or whether they are just a lazy so and so, which in itself s still not a reason to accept making fun of someones weight.

If someone is lazy, doesnt want to exercise, comfort eats and is not on any medication causing it, there will almost always be an emotional issue be it depression or low self esteem. Making fun of such a person will only make them feel worse. So no I dont think it should be any more acceptable than commenting on colour or sexuality.

Very well said.

There are many factors in weight.

And bringing this back to the OP, it would not be wrong to say Josie is a publicity seeking hypocrite but it would be wrong to say her weight has something to do with it. And when we say something about a HM it should be about their behaviour not their body.

[Chuckyegg]

A lot of people avoid forums and youtube comments etc because they are full of provoking cowards hiding behind the safety of thier anonymity spewing vile troll crap they would never dare say to another persons face. I have no idea why but its probably the same people who read and believe The Daily Star and watch Jedward - Let Loose.
The general feeling all accross the net is that if you don't like something - you attack in the lowest, most crass way possible. Don't like Nadia shouting? Call her a fat man. etc etc. There's no solution. Welcome to the human race. God I'm depressed.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I can, since you appear to be following me round disagreeing with everything i say anyways.

So, you think that people should be able to be racist, because it is perfectly easy for a black person to get their skin bleached?

no but your saying its ok to be against overweight people.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Shardlake

Due to obvious emotional issues that she has, evidenced by her being 25 and still sucking her thumb. It does not and should not make her any more of a target for ridicule just because it's not a visually obvious affliction.


If she saw some of the threads that have been created about her over the past few months on various sites she would have a breakdown

So, ridiculing someone because they are fat is the same as being racist?

I really don't think so.

Yes, it is still kind of discrimination. But it is not the same. If it was, you would be locked up for calling someone fat in the street, like you would be for being racist.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

no but your saying its ok to be against overweight people.

I'm saying I don't think it is the same as racism or homophobia. theres a difference.