[MeMyselfAndI]

gamu back..

[MarkWaldorf]

i remember visa rumours way before judges houses.

http://entertainment.stv.tv/tv/19733...s-in-jeopardy/

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MarkWaldorf

vultures the lot of you! i told ya'll cheryl was innocent.



Source: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s103/...isa-fears.html

she still could have put her through.

[Jack_]

At the end of the day Cher and Katie are far, far more interesting. It's not all about the voice on the 'X Factor' - it's a combination of vocal ability, stage presence, personality, the 'look', how 'different' they are etc. Whilst Cher and Katie weren't the most vocally talented, they are certainly a damn sight more interesting than the likes of Keri [who?], that girl who got rejected for a second time and TreyC [whom I do like, but she isn't that interesting]. Cher is very different to what we've ever had on X Factor, and Katie is quirky and interesting. Both will be far more entertaining/worth watching that the others would've been. I like Gamu [on par with Rebecca], and also felt sorry for her, and wouldn't have minded if she got through...but this obsession with her is really OTT...she wasn't that great.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

At the end of the day Cher and Katie are far, far more interesting. It's not all about the voice on the 'X Factor' - it's a combination of vocal ability, stage presence, personality, the 'look', how 'different' they are etc. Whilst Cher and Katie weren't the most vocally talented, they are certainly a damn sight more interesting than the likes of Keri [who?], that girl who got rejected for a second time and TreyC [whom I do like, but she isn't that interesting]. Cher is very different to what we've ever had on X Factor, and Katie is quirky and interesting. Both will be far more entertaining/worth watching that the others would've been. I like Gamu [on par with Rebecca], and also felt sorry for her, and wouldn't have minded if she got through...but this obsession with her is really OTT...she wasn't that great.

Yes she was!

And as for katie, quirky and interesting? I would say annoying and irritating.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Yes she was!

She has a great voice but...no personality, really. Only her 'back story'.

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

And as for katie, quirky and interesting? I would say annoying and irritating.

That's why she's a better choice than Gamu, because she divides opinion. She's like marmite - she creates a lot of discussion. At least she's not dull!

[setanta]

Originally Posted by Jack_

At the end of the day Cher and Katie are far, far more interesting. It's not all about the voice on the 'X Factor' - it's a combination of vocal ability, stage presence, personality, the 'look', how 'different' they are etc. Whilst Cher and Katie weren't the most vocally talented, they are certainly a damn sight more interesting than the likes of Keri [who?], that girl who got rejected for a second time and TreyC [whom I do like, but she isn't that interesting]. Cher is very different to what we've ever had on X Factor, and Katie is quirky and interesting. Both will be far more entertaining/worth watching that the others would've been. I like Gamu [on par with Rebecca], and also felt sorry for her, and wouldn't have minded if she got through...but this obsession with her is really OTT...she wasn't that great.

I hate this rubbish about being different and quirky. If they were so amazing they'd already have made a name for themselves and found an audience without the help of the X Factor. This is about finding raw, untapped talent - well, that was what I thought it was about anyway.

Dusty, Nina and Ella wouldn't stand a chance on this plastic, disposable and souless show.

[Patrick]

'13 Thousand joined a Facebook campaign'

Sad bastards.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

She has a great voice but...no personality, really. Only her 'back story'.



That's why she's a better choice than Gamu, because she divides opinion. She's like marmite - she creates a lot of discussion. At least she's not dull!

what do you mean no personality?? I thought she was adorable. I have my fingers crossed that katie is out first anyway.

[Tom4784]

Even if that's the case people will still blame Cheryl because people love to hate and find blame figures.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by setanta

I hate this rubbish about being different and quirky. If they were so amazing they'd already have made a name for themselves and found an audience without the help of the X Factor. This is about finding raw, untapped talent - well, that was what I thought it was about anyway.

How would they? Cher's only 16 and Katie's only 24. It's not always easy...hence why X Factor is a platform for it.

At the end of the day the winner has to be commercially viable, just the same as it is right across the industry - acts like Keri who, admittedly, have good voices, but have no personality, no stage presence, nothing that stands out about them won't sell. At least with Cher and Katie you know they're going to be interesting performances, if Keri had've gone through it would've been snore, snore snore

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

what do you mean no personality?? I thought she was adorable. I have my fingers crossed that katie is out first anyway.

Yes she was...but there was nothing that really stood out about her, was there? Only her upbringing [as I said, her 'back story].

I see Katie as another Diana Vickers type, to be honest. You'll either love her or you'll hate her - but that's why she deserves her spot, much more to her than some of the rejected girls.

[setanta]

Originally Posted by Jack_

How would they? Cher's only 16 and Katie's only 24. It's not always easy...hence why X Factor is a platform for it.

At the end of the day the winner has to be commercially viable, just the same as it is right across the industry - acts like Keri who, admittedly, have good voices, but have no personality, no stage presence, nothing that stands out about them won't sell. At least with Cher and Katie you know they're going to be interesting performances, if Keri had've gone through it would've been snore, snore snore

Interesting as in car crash performances? Fair enough.

What you consider personality is what I call vapid, manipulative and false. I prefer a voice with genuine warmth and style... the rest can be worked on with the right mentor.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yes she was...but there was nothing that really stood out about her, was there? Only her upbringing [as I said, her 'back story].

I see Katie as another Diana Vickers type, to be honest. You'll either love her or you'll hate her - but that's why she deserves her spot, much more to her than some of the rejected girls.

i see what you're saying about katie but what annoys me most of all is all the chances she's been given when she's messed up so much, something is just not right there. Diana did good auditions to earn her place in the show.

[Stephanie]

messing up 2 out of 3 auditions should not be tolerated imo.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by setanta

Interesting as in car crash performances? Fair enough.

What you consider personality is what I call vapid, manipulative and false. I prefer a voice with genuine warmth and style... the rest can be worked on with the right mentor.

Cher in particular is something we've never had on X Factor before, of course it's going to be interesting. She raps/sings - how is she going to take on Big Band Week? That's the kind of stuff I'm interested in. Someone like TreyC/Keri...not so interesting.

A personality can't be worked on with a mentor, really. You either have it or you don't. Bit like Rachel from last year, nice voice but dull as ***** to watch. And once she'd been pulled up on this she thought the best way forward was to copy Stacey Solomon's 'ditzy' personality - and it failed miserably, infact I think that's the week she left the show. It was laughable. You either have it or you don't.

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

i see what you're saying about katie but what annoys me most of all is all the chances she's been given when she's messed up so much, something is just not right there. Diana did good auditions to earn her place in the show.

That's a fair point, but the Live Shows will be the real test. If she messes up her words there then fair enough, then I'll reconsider my opinion on her, but right now [even if she has messed up before], I think she deserves her place for being a lot more interesting than the rest of the girls.

Don't forget Mary messed up her words at Judge's Houses - so it's not just Katie.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

At the end of the day Cher and Katie are far, far more interesting. It's not all about the voice on the 'X Factor' - it's a combination of vocal ability, stage presence, personality, the 'look', how 'different' they are etc. Whilst Cher and Katie weren't the most vocally talented, they are certainly a damn sight more interesting than the likes of Keri [who?], that girl who got rejected for a second time and TreyC [whom I do like, but she isn't that interesting]. Cher is very different to what we've ever had on X Factor, and Katie is quirky and interesting. Both will be far more entertaining/worth watching that the others would've been. I like Gamu [on par with Rebecca], and also felt sorry for her, and wouldn't have minded if she got through...but this obsession with her is really OTT...she wasn't that great.

This is a singing competition at the end of the day it's about whoever has the best voices should go through.

Originally Posted by Patrick

'13 Thousand joined a Facebook campaign'

Sad bastards.

Says the person who started about a million petitions to bring back Big Brother

[Stacey.]

That sorta explains it then.

[Jords]

I love the fact 'Gamu not getting through has now become a bigger talking point than the 12 finalists.'

And me thinks this is just to cover Cheryl's ass, the girl cant judge fairly and that is that, NICOLE PLEASE.

[setanta]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Cher in particular is something we've never had on X Factor before, of course it's going to be interesting. She raps/sings - how is she going to take on Big Band Week? That's the kind of stuff I'm interested in. Someone like TreyC/Keri...not so interesting.

A personality can't be worked on with a mentor, really. You either have it or you don't. Bit like Rachel from last year, nice voice but dull as ***** to watch. And once she'd been pulled up on this she thought the best way forward was to copy Stacey Solomon's 'ditzy' personality - and it failed miserably, infact I think that's the week she left the show. It was laughable. You either have it or you don't.

.

Well, I actually think Rachel is naturally ditzy whereas Stacey played that role to the max. Bit of a diva now apparently.

You either have a voice or you don't, that's what I think. Danni ruined Rachel's chances while the choices that Cheryl made this year are an indictment on the show itself and the way the music industry has become a conveyor belt for the newest fad, with genuinely great voices being cast aside for pretence. Gamu has it, they don't... they just have a look, and we'll be seeing them exiting the show very soon. There'll be a big back lash in voting, guaranteed.

[King Gizzard]

Cover up to save their precious Cheryl

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Smithy

This is a singing competition at the end of the day it's about whoever has the best voices should go through.

No it isn't, it never has been and it never will be. It's not called 'X Factor' for nothing. 'X' meaning a combination of different things that make up a commercially viable act. If it was called the 'Singing Factor' then fair enough, but it's not. It has and never will be just about the singing. It's about vocal ability, stage presence, personality, the 'look' etc. For example, Jedward ticked the stage presence and personality [although that's debatable] boxes, but their vocal talent was awful. On the other end of the spectrum we have Rachel Adedeji, for example, who had the vocal talent but had no stage presence, no personality, the wrong look etc.

At the end of the day you can have the best vocal talent in the world, but if you're dull as ***** chances are you're not going to have a sell-out tour, are you? There's exceptions of course but on the whole to be commercially viable you have to tick all of those boxes. Cher and Katie tick most, although some could admittedly be improved, Keri and Gamu only tick one...possibly two.

[Jords]

Dressing up in wierd fancy clothes does not mean they have The X Factor, I like Katie but she came across so desperate (not in a good way either).

[Joelle.]

I personally don't like Katie. I don't like her voice and I think she is arrogant and irritating. But the fact whether or not I like her doesn't really matter. Messing up at the auditions and breaking down at judges houses simply doesn't warrant her getting a place in the finals. Gamu, TreyC, Keri, Annastasia and Raquel should have all gone through before Katie and Cher.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No it isn't, it never has been and it never will be. It's not called 'X Factor' for nothing. 'X' meaning a combination of different things that make up a commercially viable act. If it was called the 'Singing Factor' then fair enough, but it's not. It has and never will be just about the singing. It's about vocal ability, stage presence, personality, the 'look' etc. For example, Jedward ticked the stage presence and personality [although that's debatable] boxes, but their vocal talent was awful. On the other end of the spectrum we have Rachel Adedeji, for example, who had the vocal talent but had no stage presence, no personality, the wrong look etc.

At the end of the day you can have the best vocal talent in the world, but if you're dull as ***** chances are you're not going to have a sell-out tour, are you? There's exceptions of course but on the whole to be commercially viable you have to tick all of those boxes. Cher and Katie tick most, although some could admittedly be improved, Keri and Gamu only tick one...possibly two.

The X Factor is a British television singing competition contested by aspiring singers drawn from public auditions

The X Factor is a television talent show franchise originating in the United Kingdom, where it was devised as a replacement for Pop Idol. It is a singing competition

Just like American Idol, X Factor is a singing competition. Unlike American Idol, it's a singing competition for different age groups.

The British show X Factor, set to launch in the U.S. next year, is improving the performance of vocalists in a singing competition.

It is a singing competition, it always has been it always will be the list of things you mentioned are absent from pretty much all winners bar maybe one or two. They all had good voices, because it is a singing competition.

You can argue your point all you want but it's a singing competition, and both Cher and Katie shouldn't have gotten through.