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Shaun · 26-10-2010, 07:22 PM

Wow, how responsible.

Vicky. · 26-10-2010, 07:25 PM

Shows how interested they really are in public safety eh?

Both the actual firefighters who are going on strike...AND the people who could just give them the extra 20p or whatever it would take to stop this.

Then again, they could give them the pay rise, and then they would know in future this is all they need to do to get their own way.

Toughie...

Lewis. · 26-10-2010, 07:43 PM

A question that comes to my mind is what about the innocent people who are victims of firework abuse. Last year a woman in my town was killed on bonfire night (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-...00911115441824) and this was simply because of firework abuse by people who had no idea of the dangers of fireworks. It's sad to think that people's lives are being risked all because of money problems. Okay the fire-fighters risk their lives on a daily basis, but surely there must be another way to get their point across, rather than risking other peoples lives. It's selfish if you ask me. I can almost imagine the terror of someone being stuck in their house whilst it's on fire, ringing up the emergency services and being told that there's no-one to help, all because of 20p. It's sickening.

Tom4784 · 26-10-2010, 08:29 PM

I've got no sympathy for them, it's an idiotic time to strike and I actually hope it fails. If they do go ahead with it and anyone gets hurt then it's on their hands.

joeysteele · 26-10-2010, 08:52 PM

I am not a killjoy normally, I don't however like fireworks(despite being still a teen) or see the need to ceelbrate some figure like Guy Fawkes. Fireworks are becoming really nastier now, they also make more noise too,the worst part is that bonfire night seems to last at least a week now.
Animals are scared rotten, my pup hates the noise of fireworks.Mu family have to keep him in all the time on that night and many other nights too in the week.

I think, and its not a popular view,I accept I am well in the minority heer but if we must have the accursed bonfire night then it should be the 'one' night and only organised bonfires with strict supervision of setting off fireworks too.

Number one for me is that the Firemen/women do a fantastic job, I understand that the London dispute is over old and bnew contracts,not just about wages, I am 100% sure they don't want to strike on 5th November really,I don't like the Unions, they will have pointed out that maximum disturbance on a major night/s is the best way to get some deal,so that the firemen are put in a near impossible situation.

I hope they don't strike because I know if there are higher casualties if they do, it will always be down to the firemen striking and not the silly,incompetent people who allow bonfires to be had unattended and not supervised properly,and also the daft people whi think they are big taking risks in the way they light fireworks and then think its a great game to even trowm them around, not forgetting the daft loutish element that throw the cursed things through peoples letterboxes and also are so brainless and cruel they throw them at animals or even are sick enough to tie fireworks to animals tails.

Sometimes it is maddening to think of the stupid people that Firemen have to be there for and save.For celebrating an event from near 400 years ago of a figure who was trying to blow parliament up.
As I say, I hope the strike is halted,for the 'innocents' sakes.

MTVN · 26-10-2010, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am not a killjoy normally, I don't however like fireworks(despite being still a teen) or see the need to ceelbrate some figure like Guy Fawkes. Fireworks are becoming really nastier now, they also make more noise too,the worst part is that bonfire night seems to last at least a week now.
Animals are scared rotten, my pup hates the noise of fireworks.Mu family have to keep him in all the time on that night and many other nights too in the week.

I think, and its not a popular view,I accept I am well in the minority heer but if we must have the accursed bonfire night then it should be the 'one' night and only organised bonfires with strict supervision of setting off fireworks too.

Number one for me is that the Firemen/women do a fantastic job, I understand that the London dispute is over old and bnew contracts,not just about wages, I am 100% sure they don't want to strike on 5th November really,I don't like the Unions, they will have pointed out that maximum disturbance on a major night/s is the best way to get some deal,so that the firemen are put in a near impossible situation.

I hope they don't strike because I know if there are higher casualties if they do, it will always be down to the firemen striking and not the silly,incompetent people who allow bonfires to be had unattended and not supervised properly,and also the daft people whi think they are big taking risks in the way they light fireworks and then think its a great game to even trowm them around, not forgetting the daft loutish element that throw the cursed things through peoples letterboxes and also are so brainless and cruel they throw them at animals or even are sick enough to tie fireworks to animals tails.

Sometimes it is maddening to think of the stupid people that Firemen have to be there for and save.For celebrating an event from near 400 years ago of a figure who was trying to blow parliament up.
As I say, I hope the strike is halted,for the 'innocents' sakes.

Wouldnt really say Guy Fawkes is "celebrated".

joeysteele · 26-10-2010, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

Wouldnt really say Guy Fawkes is "celebrated".

Perhaps celebrate was the wrong phrase,but I will re-phrase it as to why do we bother with this archaeic night anyway,
They stick a guy on the bonfire so he is one of the main characters of the night,but I take your point its not necessarily celebtrating him, however what knocking on people's doors asking for penny for they guy is if its not him as the main focal point then I don't know what is.

Zippy · 28-10-2010, 12:05 AM

I think its disgraceful. Clearly doing it to grab attention but its actually putting real lives at risk. And these people are supposed to be heroic? Nothing heroic about putting lives at risk over potential job cuts. All sectors are cutting back.

Army, police and prison officers cannot strike and I think firefighters should be added to that list. If you dont like it then don't become a bloody firefighter! Some services are just too essential to be messed with by jumped up union leaders.

arista · 28-10-2010, 06:22 AM

"Some services are just too essential to be messed with by jumped up union leaders. "

Bang on Right.
Zippy.

Livia · 28-10-2010, 10:45 AM

Not all the firemen will be behind the strike. The Army, who do dangerous and thankless work all over the world, will probably have to step in. But while the firemen are being portrayed as money-grabbing, leftie layabouts the soldiers are being portrayed as plaster saints. In reality, it's not such a big deal for the servicemen to cover the Fire Service for 24 hours. Most of them will have spent some time in Afghanistan lately. I know what I'd rather be doing.

If you want to blame someone for this, blame the unions.

Shasown · 28-10-2010, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Not all the firemen will be behind the strike. The Army, who do dangerous and thankless work all over the world, will probably have to step in. But while the firemen are being portrayed as money-grabbing, leftie layabouts the soldiers are being portrayed as plaster saints. In reality, it's not such a big deal for the servicemen to cover the Fire Service for 24 hours. Most of them will have spent some time in Afghanistan lately. I know what I'd rather be doing.

If you want to blame someone for this, blame the unions.

Because of the limited duration of the strike, the services will simply use trained firemen within the services. If it is extended at a later date or further longer strikes are called then it will be treat as another detachment/roulement duty by the forces and people will have to take turns at it.

Given the repeated demands on some servicemen at the time with the variety of overseas deployments etc for some it will be the last straw. It happened 2002/03 when another strike was called. The Union Leaders at that time reckoned that the government would cave in quickly because of the service manpower requirements for Afghanistan and Iraq.

The number of fire tenders available for strike cover was decided on by the Leaders of the London Fire Brigade following experience during previous strikes. At least the tenders are modern unlike the Bedford RL based Green Goddess.

arista · 01-11-2010, 06:06 PM

The Evil Union
in London Striked today.

And the Evil Union members at some stations
blocked the non striking crews
they had to go to a nearby Shop Car Park.

ITV London Local News

arista · 02-11-2010, 06:44 PM

One Pathetic Union Fireman
was knocked to the ground as he was in Front of a Legal Fire Engine
trying to get back to the Station.

Some Stepped on him.

He is playing on this - going on both ITV and BBC London News.

The only reason these Fireman
will not sign the New changed hours contract
is the Bastards have Second Jobs (many not legal).

Fireman do a Great Service
but those on Strike are Corrupt.

Kazanne · 04-11-2010, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista

One Pathetic Union Fireman
was knocked to the ground as he was in Front of a Legal Fire Engine
trying to get back to the Station.

Some Stepped on him.

He is playing on this - going on both ITV and BBC London News.

The only reason these Fireman
will not sign the New changed hours contract
is the Bastards have Second Jobs (many not legal).

Fireman do a Great Service
but those on Strike are Corrupt.

My brothers not a bastard(how very dare you), and he is not a striker either,he is working tomorrow,

arista · 04-11-2010, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kazanne

My brothers not a bastard,thankyou very much and he is not a striker either,he is working tomorrow,

Thats Good.
He is a Good Man.

Angus · 04-11-2010, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kazanne

My brothers not a bastard,thankyou very much and he is not a striker either,he is working tomorrow,

Kazanne, most of us know that it is not the firemen who want to strike, they are coerced by the Union bully boys.

arista · 04-11-2010, 06:06 PM

The London Fire Union
has now said they may not Strike Tomorrow.
Still waiting for Union Boss to confirm it though.

The Public would have turned on them if they did on that day.

SkyNewsHD and ITVLondon News Live

Angus · 04-11-2010, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista

The London Fire Union
has now said they will not Strike Tomorrow.

The Public would have turned on them if they did on that day.

SkyNewsHD and ITVLondon News Live

Result: Public 1 - London Fire Union 0

"Discretion is the better part of valour"- for once commonsense has prevailed, but no doubt the union will be seeking to capitalise on exploiting their "consideration and concern" for the public, but most of us are not fooled by greedy, manipulative union bullies.