[lauraC]

Originally Posted by babycakes

There was actually a very interesting court case that was publicised in recent weeks regarding libelous comments posted on internets sites UV. I'll try to dig the article out and send it to you. The days of keyboard warriors making wild accusations and posting out and out lies on internet forums will be a thing of the past

ben talked about his sexuality all the time in the house and liking men aswell as women, I think it's a bit unfair on his fans to try and make him into something he wasn't, clearly in the house his sexuality is a big issue for him and he felt he had to hide a part of who he is and I think it's this kind of attitude and it's unfair, what's wrong with ben being bisexual?

[Vodka Drinka]

Originally Posted by lauraC

ben talked about his sexuality all the time in the house and liking men aswell as women, I think it's a bit unfair on his fans to try and make him into something he wasn't, clearly in the house his sexuality is a big issue for him and he felt he had to hide a part of who he is and I think it's this kind of attitude and it's unfair, what's wrong with ben being bisexual?

What business is it of yours what his sexuality is? I personally couldn't care less is if he is gay, straight, bi sexual or asexual or whatever, because its none of my business.

Why are you so preoccupied with who he sleeps with?

[lauraC]

Originally Posted by Vodka Drinka

What business is it of yours what his sexuality is? I personally couldn't care less is if he is gay, straight, bi sexual or asexual or whatever, because its none of my business.

Why are you so preoccupied with who he sleeps with?

I don't care, I just feel a bit sad and sorry for him that he feels uncomfortable about his sexuality because of people's refusal to accept who he is

[Vodka Drinka]

Originally Posted by lauraC

I don't care, I just feel a bit sad and sorry for him that he feels uncomfortable about his sexuality because of people's refusal to accept who he is

How do you know he feels uncomfortable with his sexuality? And you obviously do care otherwise you wouldn't be going on and on about it.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by lauraC

ben talked about his sexuality all the time in the house and liking men aswell as women, I think it's a bit unfair on his fans to try and make him into something he wasn't, clearly in the house his sexuality is a big issue for him and he felt he had to hide a part of who he is and I think it's this kind of attitude and it's unfair, what's wrong with ben being bisexual?

this is mario dreaming to be with ben.

[lauraC]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

this is mario dreaming to be with ben.

and as a ben fan you calling homosexuals puffs like you did with mario isn't helping ben either is it?

[Ultra Violet]

Originally Posted by lauraC

and as a ben fan you calling homosexuals puffs like you did with mario isn't helping ben either is it?

:

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by lauraC

and as a ben fan you calling homosexuals puffs like you did with mario isn't helping ben either is it?

but i didnt.

[lauraC]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

but i didnt.

yes you did

[lauraC]

Originally Posted by Ultra Violet

:

he's been sending mario homophobic comments

[Ultra Violet]

Originally Posted by lauraC

he's been sending mario homophobic comments

Are you Mario? Or are you a close friend of Mario's?

What else would explain any of this ...

Let it go ... if you don't you are making things worse all the time ...

Is that what you actually want to do ... ?

That is what it is beginning to look like ...

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by lauraC

he's been sending mario homophobic comments

i havent heres my twitter account Your public profile: http://twitter.com/joehart14

[Malza]

Originally Posted by Truth Teller

Do find - very interesting. It's funny how people can post stuff on the internet which is wrong and they don't actually know someone and think its ok or say things that are untrue.

Funny to read this here... Well, some have their own truth I guess

[Malza]

Originally Posted by Vodka Drinka

What business is it of yours what his sexuality is? I personally couldn't care less is if he is gay, straight, bi sexual or asexual or whatever, because its none of my business.

Why are you so preoccupied with who he sleeps with?

Why are you talk and judge about Marios sexuality so often then?

[Malza]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

i havent heres my twitter account Your public profile: http://twitter.com/joehart14

This one at last made me laugh... Maybe I should feel honoured

@SuperMarioMugan your lover malza was defending you on this is big brother,or are you malza?

1. I am female
2. I don't even live in the same country than Mario...

That much about your laughable tweet

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Malza

This one at last made me laugh... Maybe I should feel honoured



1. I am female
2. I don't even live in the same country than Mario...

That much about your laughable tweet

it was a joke.

[Ultra Violet]

Originally Posted by Malza

Why are you talk and judge about Marios sexuality so often then?

No one tries to represent Mario as a liar about his sexual orientation

He says that he is gay ... we believe and accept that ...

No one then says that he is hiding the fact that he is secretly heterosexual ...

That would probably be libellous ... think about this ... and proceed most carefully

No more smilies ... this is getting more and more serious ... deadly serious

[Truth Teller]

Originally Posted by lauraC

he's been sending mario homophobic comments

Please don't accuse people unless you can back it up.

Originally Posted by jedward fever

i havent heres my twitter account Your public profile: http://twitter.com/joehart14

Jedward says he hasn't.

Originally Posted by Malza

Funny to read this here... Well, some have their own truth I guess

Malza baiting yet again. You have the wrong end of the stick. I was talking generally about the internet - it was no reference to anyone or anything - your post is directed at me not a housemate yet again. I was actually interested for another reason completely separate to BB. You seem to think you know me, what I think etc. back up your comments or leave other FM's alone. I don't know you but so far

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lauraC

you are crazy if you think I'm mario

Laurac. It is clear that you have joined very suddenly with one intention - to defend Mario. Perfectly understandable, absolutely. I don't see much of that actually going on however.

So far, the foundation of your posts appear to offer nohing more than a great deal of personal attacks and insults on fellow forum members with very very little reasoning from you in respect of why you support Mario and the good you see in him, or debating with them.

I do understand you wanting to offer up your own views of Ben -unpleasant as they may be for Ben fans to read - but certainly not any more/less unpleasant that you as a Mario fan, reading what non Mario fans have to say about Mario. That's the way it is: and I don't see that being an issue as it works both ways. Neither sets of fans like to read the 'not so nice' comments on their fav housemate, but we all ('us' Ben fans included btw), accept that's the way it goes and we have to be gracious enough to accept those differing views.

What I do however see as an issue is that in so few posts from you, the majority is you making unfounded accusations, offering insults to forum members by calling us stalkers, accusing people of bullying, insinuating members are children, baiting attempts, spurious accusations and overall, a highly aggressive & attacking type of postings from you. You appear to be doing is arguing with intent, without any amount of reasoned discussion, favouring insults and personal comments on forum members. That's not debate or discussion LauraC, that's just arguing with it counter-productive. Given that 2 threads have now been closed due to this type of antagonisig and goading of people, who are naturally responding to you in the same manner, I do wonder if that is the sole aim : to stop discussion and to have threads locked - rather than debating in a reasonable manner.

The subjects of discussion are the housemates. Not fellow members on here. I for one am asking that you refrain from offering up insults to fms when they have an opinion that differs from your own. I most certanly won't tolerate any more insults from you to me personally.

I don't think it is beyond the realms of reality that you are Mario, that's my opinion. It could be true. You could be. You may not be, but regardless, that is my own opinion. That doesn't make me crazy.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Malza

Why are you talk and judge about Marios sexuality so often then?

Malz. You might want to check back - the subject matter of sexuality came from Laurac on differing posts and threads -even to the point that she appeared not to fully understand what the terminololgy 'gay' actually meant.

I for one, don't give a rats arse about anyone's sexuality, in my eyes, that's a personal choice for a person and it's acceptable regardless - hell even Andrew professed a liking for Watermelon...

My point here is that I and many others on here, don't have issue with anyone's sexuality - the conversation on the subject has trailed over from your fellow Mario supporter, LauraCs comments in regards to sexuality.

That is why the subject is cropping up - it was raised by a Mario fan, in fact, the matter of Mario and Ben's sexuality is raised often by Laura C. and people are addressing Laura C's comments.

[joeysteele]

The thread asks, is Mario jealous of Ben? It is clear he is because he is so bitter about someone he once claimed to be near besotted with, he showed he was a totally false person by the way he turned on BEN once he finally realised that Ben had not the slightest physical interest in him.

It will infuriate Mario that BEN remains so popular, all Mario did was lust after Ben making all sorts of innuendo's,then he did the same with Andrew.
Mario was like a leech,he liked BEN in bother in the house because he could be the shoulder for BEN to lean on,thereby getting physically close to him.

If anyone is obsessed with sexualities then it is Mario himself,he has shown how rotten he is by his vicious and bitter put downs of BEN, so of course he is jealous of BEN.

It is a fact that Mario is untrustworthty in friendship unless you do 'all' he wants you to.
Because of his nastiness to BEN it is natural those who came to like BEN and care about him will race in and defend him. The fact Mario supporters get so worked up is because they have no argument to make, they are defending the indefensible.So in the end they attack the BEN supporters for defending BEN.

Defending BEN however,is easy to do since he kept his dignity and integrity intact all through the time in the house and since leaving it too. He would not lower himself to make the bitter twisted comments Mario is now making about him.

How amazing then that Mario fans cannot see that virtue in BEN but can try to invent any kind of virtue in Mario.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The thread asks, is Mario jealous of Ben? It is clear he is because he is so bitter about someone he once claimed to be near besotted with, he showed he was a totally false person by the way he turned on BEN once he finally realised that Ben had not the slightest physical interest in him.

It will infuriate Mario that BEN remains so popular, all Mario did was lust after Ben making all sorts of innuendo's,then he did the same with Andrew.
Mario was like a leech,he liked BEN in bother in the house because he could be the shoulder for BEN to lean on,thereby getting physically close to him.

If anyone is obsessed with sexualities then it is Mario himself,he has shown how rotten he is by his vicious and bitter put downs of BEN, so of course he is jealous of BEN.

It is a fact that Mario is untrustworthty in friendship unless you do 'all' he wants you to.
Because of his nastiness to BEN it is natural those who came to like BEN and care about him will race in and defend him. The fact Mario supporters get so worked up is because they have no argument to make, they are defending the indefensible.So in the end they attack the BEN supporters for defending BEN.

Defending BEN however,is easy to do since he kept his dignity and integrity intact all through the time in the house and since leaving it too. He would not lower himself to make the bitter twisted comments Mario is now making about him.

How amazing then that Mario fans cannot see that virtue in BEN but can try to invent any kind of virtue in Mario.

Unsurprisingly, I do agree with you and I saw exactly the same traits in Mario as you have explained above.

it did very much appear that Mario was, on the surface, a wonderful friend, there for a shoulder to cry on when necessary - for Ben and others. But it appears to me,that this is Mario's way of trying to forge a bond with the said person: in an attempt to lull them into a false sense of security - with Mario's ultimate goal being to befriend them, to then try to seduce them. When the person - Ben in this case - realised that, when it was clear why Mario appeared to be a friend, for all the wrong reasons - Ben distanced himself. In my view: quite correctly too.

Mario has clearly had less favour and less support since BB ended. That is very obvious.

it is also obvious that Mario puts himself on a pedastal -as shown on BB when he was nominated for eviction - and in his actions and words during his temper tantrum that, 'he deserved to be there more than anyone else' (How he figured that one out, christ knows!).

Ben has not had to resort to joining twitter in an effort to build up a fan base. Indeed, to the contrary, that goes against he grain with Ben. He doesn't have to resort to self publicity - Ben merely being Ben is enough to garner support.

That I think is one of the more crucial reasons that Mario is jealous. Ben actually is carrying on with his life as it was before BB. Opportunities are coming his way naturally, given his talents, and those opportunites are happening, without Ben having to spend hours and hours online promoting himself.

I can understand Mario's envy but he must also appreciate that he and Ben are at totally opposite ends of the spectrum. That alone will dictate much to who will be more favourable - not only to fans, but in the media word, and for being in demand with various meda sources.

Much relies on how one conducts themselves. In this sense, Ben has conducted himself with dignity and aplomb since leaving the BB house. The same cannot be said for Mario,. this being the same person who tried to promote a 'supposed' Charity donations, when in fact, it was for nothing more than 'fans' to donat to him, to allow him to buy a Ł7k+ mechanical parrot, with a tiny amount going to charity. That shows the depths to which Mario has to lower himself, to gain some form of publicity. Unfortunately, bad publicity is exactly that - are those who are savvy in the media world - will not welcome Mario. That's the reality of the situation.

[joeysteele]

Thnak you Pyramid,and also it will be no surprise to anyone to find I agree with your comments too.

What is gratifying, likely for both of us and also the many other Ben fans is that we state only facts,there is not a single statement of invention in what we have said.

That is the major difference between Ben supporters and Mario's.Oh and indeed between Ben and Mario themselves too.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Thnak you Pyramid,and also it will be no surprise to anyone to find I agree with your comments too.

What is gratifying, likely for both of us and also the many other Ben fans is that we state only facts,there is not a single statement of invention in what we have said.

That is the major difference between Ben supporters and Mario's.Oh and indeed between Ben and Mario themselves too.

Again, we agree.

The truth does not have to lend itself to misinterpretation - because it is precisely that, the truth. It's factual. Some may not like it, but it cannot be debunked.

Ben has much more to offer. Mario may have been a member of Mensa, however all that demostrates is an ability to solve problems on a bit of paper, under a little pressure of a time limit. Being a Mensa membr does not equate to having social or emotional maturity. It does not lend itself to being a people person, being likeble, being an affiabe sort and definately does not correlate to being more intelligent in life. If this needs to be proven: look at all the very young children who score incredibly highly in Mensa testing - they may have an intelligent academic brain, but they still remain immature and have no experience of life, for they are still developing socially and emotionally.

I know many people who are, academically, highly intelligent - but live on 'another planet' as far as every day living and applying common sense go.

A measure of relative intelligence is measured in how that intellect is applied. Given the way Mario has projected himself, prostituted himself, if you will, online, one could argue that he actually possess very little intellect where it matters most - in the real world and using that intellect to its optimum, for maximum effect in being successful.

Another example of why Ben is proving more successful than Mario now the show is over.

[Ultra Violet]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Again, we agree.

The truth does not have to lend itself to misinterpretation - because it is precisely that, the truth. It's factual. Some may not like it, but it cannot be debunked.

Ben has much more to offer. Mario may have been a member of Mensa, however all that demostrates is an ability to solve problems on a bit of paper, under a little pressure of a time limit. Being a Mensa membr does not equate to having social or emotional maturity. It does not lend itself to being a people person, being likeble, being an affiabe sort and definately does not correlate to being more intelligent in life. If this needs to be proven: look at all the very young children who score incredibly highly in Mensa testing - they may have an intelligent academic brain, but they still remain immature and have no experience of life, for they are still developing socially and emotionally.

I know many people who are, academically, highly intelligent - but live on 'another planet' as far as every day living and applying common sense go.

A measure of relative intelligence is measured in how that intellect is applied. Given the way Mario has projected himself, prostituted himself, if you will, online, one could argue that he actually possess very little intellect where it matters most - in the real world and using that intellect to its optimum, for maximum effect in being successful.

Another example of why Ben is proving more successful than Mario now the show is over.

Might I just agree here with the fact that the Mensa connection is a total red herring?

I have taught at one of our most established and sought after universities and Mario is clearly NOT someone who has the intellect (or grasp of the subtleties of English) to gain a place in a similar institution and would clearly not be able to equal Ben's good degree in a solid academic subject from St Andrew's ... it is rather ludicrous to perpetuate this myth that Mario is 'more intellectual' than Ben ... anyone who listened to any of their exchanges in the house is well aware that this is a complete falsehood ... I think it is time to establish that Ben is both more successful in his educational history AND in the way he handles 'real life' and the demands of the media ... to infer that the situation is other than this is patently absurd ... his verbal dexterity, wit and brilliance is no small component in the patchwork of qualities that makes Ben's fans so devoted ... most of us do rather enjoy bright and entertaining people when we see them ... and maybe we would like to see more characters like Ben ... we can't let Stephen Fry corner the market in benevolent and witty eccentricity!