[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Sticks

But a no vote will kill PR stone dead for generations to come as it will give a massive vote for FPTP

However this is academic as the polls show a massive vote for the NO campaign since all people are seeing this as a chance to give Nick Clegg and the Liberal Democrats a thorough good kicking.

The way things are with Nick Clegg, if there were a referendum on whether we should slaughter everyone's first born child, and Nick Clegg was against that, there would be a massive vote in favour of slaughtering everyone's first born child, including votes from loving parents, just to give Nick Clegg and the Lib Dems thorough good kicking

The first part fo your post is right, it will kill the PR debate for a long time to come,
It is why with the enormous influence the Lib Dems had after the 2010 election that they will be seen to have have failed real change by at least trying to secure a treble option an any referendum,as to 1)keeping FPTP, or 2) Opting for AV, or 3) bringing in a full PR system.

The referendum could have been held later in the year with those questions fully detailed and the systems clearly shown.
The Lib Dems got the very least they could have with this referendum, despite the fact without their votes and support in Parliament the Conservatives could not get anything passed likely.

Nick Clegg jumped in for some minor Ministerial positions and an increase in salary for some in his party,he abandoned the PR dream of the Lib Dems and opted for this pathetic weak system but it still to be decided on a costly referendum too.
If he and the Lib Dems have put full PR on to the back boiler for another few decades at least,they deserve that to happen.

Although clearly not the case is the last part of your post,I think you are right in the sense that anything political from Nick Clegg,be it a policy idea or speech, will be taken by most voters with a pinch of salt,now thinking he is a man not to be believed or trusted and therefore he likely is the kiss of death to anything major in politics now.

I for one voted Lib Dem,I am very unlikely to do so again and I will never vote for them while Clegg is leader or has any high status still in the party.
To me they abused the power the voters gave them and should be cast into the political wilderness for that abuse of great trust put in them by those who voted for them.

[arista]

Most will Vote No

To punish Nick Clegg.


Thats what we are down to here.

[bananarama]

Most will vote no for a variety of reasons. The Nick Klegg factor I think is much over rated....Traditionally people just don't like "change". Unless it is blindingly obvious it is for the good.....New voting systems arn't blindingly obvious in their benefits or not..

Nick Glegg or no Nick Clegg the No vote will be strong......

Some maybe like me will be angry at all parties denying the public at least a chance to choose a PR system along with the other two on offer.......As a result of that anger and being denied a fair choice of options I will not be voting at all in the referendum............

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Most will Vote No

To punish Nick Clegg.


Thats what we are down to here.

I think you are right arista, one of the main reasons (and I know it will seem petty on my part) I am voting no is because of my anger at Clegg and the Lib Dems.

I do also think that genuinely strong Conservative voters will also vote no too, for the preservation of future success of their party. AV will be no friend to the Conservative party in elections so I hope their voters do go and vote this down tomorrow.
I also think the NO campaign broadcasts have been far stronger than the YES ones.

We will know either way sometime on Friday.I hope it is a NO result and a resounding one too.

[Sticks]

Then there is no point having anything other than the two main parties, or in fact any elections in most places as with some places like where I live, put up a pig in a coat as a candidate and it will be elected.

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Then there is no point having anything other than the two main parties, or in fact any elections in most places as with some places like where I live, put up a pig in a coat as a candidate and it will be elected.

Very true....

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Then there is no point having anything other than the two main parties, or in fact any elections in most places as with some places like where I live, put up a pig in a coat as a candidate and it will be elected.

Well, yes, I take your point on that, you are right. I can see the argument for a change to the voting system but I don't think AV is the right way to go.

[Sticks]

As AV was not gone for, any chance of PR died a death today

[arista]

I Voted No

at 7AM sharp this morning

[joeysteele]

I Have been out and cast my vote No. I really hope it is voted down but listening to people it seems many more are voting No than Yes.

[Judas]

Vote yes.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Judas

Vote yes.

No we are all Voting No
to Punish Clegg.

[Judas]

Originally Posted by arista

No we are all Voting No
to Pubish Clegg.

To make a vote of 'No' to simply punish one 'JUDAS' is utterly stupid. I hate Clegg as much as the next man, but I think AV is one step towards a fairer, and better system. It's a once if a lifetime opportunity.

- If you remember my name was username is based on Nick Clegg, I joined in the student protests and Nick Clegg was my display picture.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

I voted No

[arista]

Originally Posted by DrunkerThanMoses

I voted No

You are Most Wise.

[Sticks]

So if there was a referendum on the proposition that everyone must kill their first born child and Nick Clegg was against that proposition, you would vote in favour of killing your first born child just because you think it would punish Nick Clegg?

[billy123]

No thanks due to the points already mentioned.
Although getting one over clegg doesnt figure in my descision that would be short sighted i cant help but feel the liberal democrats are only so keen on the idea because they have the most to gain they arent trying to push it through because it is benificial to the country its just because they will benefit the most and to hell with whether its in our interests or not.

That is irresponsible of them.
Not to mention the quarter of a billion pounds it would cost that we can ill afford at the moment.

No thanks.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Sticks

So if there was a referendum on the proposition that everyone must kill their first born child and Nick Clegg was against that proposition, you would vote in favour of killing your first born child just because you think it would punish Nick Clegg?

If only Life was that Simple.


That would not happen here


Maybe in China , though.



Check any News TV or DAB or Radio
so many are Angry at this Clegg AV.
And worse so many are not even voting
from Labour and Unions.

[Judas]

Arista, you make no sense. Go buy a new LCD TV or photoshop yourself on to the body of a teen being spunked by King Desmond if you are making your judgement based on Dick-Head-Clegg.

Life as arista.

Originally Posted by arista

That would not happen here


Maybe in China , though.

LOL at this though!

[BB_Eye]

Voted 'Yes' today.

How sad it looks as if most will vote 'No' and settle for the same tweedle-dee/tweedle-dumb bullshit for decades to come.

If the results speak for this then the British public deserve every useless government they get.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

Voted 'Yes' today.

How sad it looks as if most will vote 'No' and settle for the same tweedle-dee/tweedle-dumb bullshit for decades to come.

If the results speak for this then the British public deserve every useless government they get.

I want a different system, but an unstable one like AV is not what we need

[arista]

Originally Posted by Judas

Arista, you make no sense. Go buy a new LCD TV or photoshop yourself on to the body of a teen being spunked by King Desmond if you are making your judgement based on Dick-Head-Clegg.

Life as arista.


LOL at this though!

I do not need another 1080P LCD
as I have some.

Judas AV got a No

Deal with it.