[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Stu

There is nothing original whatsoever about any of his stuff. It's your basic JP-8000 driven turn of the millennium anthem trance. Four beats per bar, breakdown build up format, rolling snares, supersaw waveform, the lot. About a dozen times a silly times a million other producers were doing the exact same sound at the time.

And are you seriously arguing the lyrical merit of the stuff? Good god man. They might fit well with the tracks but they are autopop lyrics that mean jack shit. Heck he made a name out of penning any old garbage in multiple languages so as to ensure the songs would chart in different countries.

Lyrics don't mean shit in trance.

Sash! were not Trance.

Sash! was commercial dance.

Sash!'s more lyrical songs "Just around the hill", "Mysterious times"....were lyrically well written in my opinion.

And no matter what you think the production of Sash!'s songs are sleek as ****. Hence them standing out from the crowd when they were released and smashing the UK top ten 11 times

Ooh and 3 top ten albums.

Oh and in regards to the lyrics being in different languages to chart in different countries? Im sorry but are we all fluent in French, Spanish, Latin, German in the uk? Where his songs were most succesfull?


Erm...

You are literally one of those people trying to argue that Sash! were not a credible group and were frowned upon by the pill heads in ibiza back in the day for being to mainstream but Sash! never said he was anything but so its a lost argument.

His old stuff was the dogs bollox and 18 million albums worldwide and 65 Gold and Platinum awards prove that

[Stu]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Sash! were not Trance.

Sash! was commercial dance.

Sash!'s more lyrical songs "Just around the hill", "Mysterious times"....were lyrically well written in my opinion.

And no matter what you think the production of Sash!'s songs are sleek as ****. Hence them standing out from the crowd when they were released and smashing the UK top ten 11 times

Ooh and 3 top ten albums.

Yes, Sash! are trance. A very mainstream, commercial form of progressive/vocal/euro trance.

What the fuck is dance? Dance is just a blanket term.

I'm not even going to entertain the popularity = good argument but yes they were slick in the production department. But that doesn't make them original by any stretch of the imagination.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

You are literally one of those people trying to argue that Sash! were not a credible group and were frowned upon by the pill heads in ibiza back in the day for being to mainstream but Sash! never said he was anything but so its a lost argument.

I don't need to argue it. Everyone knows Sash! is consiered a cheesy butt of the joke bastard child of the electronic music landscape. Like you said they were looked down on for being too mainstream and they never denied that themselves.

Why would I need to argue it. They can flog all the records they want but their critical evaluation amounts to little more than praise from the sort of people who think putting neon blue lights under Opel Corsas is just a damn neat idea.

[Zippy]

Sash was very much of his time. He, like many artist, had his golden period where he could do no wrong. And he did pick good vocalists. But he failed to evolve and dance music moves on at a very fast rate.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Stu

I don't need to argue it. Everyone knows Sash! is consiered a cheesy butt of the joke bastard child of the electronic music landscape. Like you said they were looked down on for being too mainstream and they never denied that themselves.

Why would I need to argue it. They can flog all the records they want but their critical evaluation amounts to little more than praise from the sort of people who think putting neon blue lights under Opel Corsas is just a damn neat idea.

Your coming accross as an argumentative psycho at the moment lol.

Sash! were not and will never will be TRANCE!!! They are mainstream pop/proggresive/dance and yes that is a term

This isnt a competition btw I know my trance from my happy hardcore from my house from my europop so please stop being all high and mighty coz its stupid.


And people like you make me laugh you get all angry over Sash! being commercial but as i fan I want commercial lol thats what i liked about their stuff. It was sleek, commercial and radio friendly.

How does Sash! being commercial anger you that much?

What are you even getting angry about?

How did this argument even start? Did i offend you by likeing Sash!?

Are you ok?

[Shaun]

-bops to Nessaja-

[Zippy]

Speaking of 90s dance classics...and to stop WW3 breaking out.

Youtube video

[Stu]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

You say your not arguing but your coming accross as an argumentative psycho at the moment lol.

Sash! were not and will never will be TRANCE!!! They are mainstream pop/proggresive/dance and yes that is a term

And people like you make me laugh you get all angry over Sash! being commercial but as i fan I want commercial lol thats what i liked about their stuff. It was sleek, commercial and radio friendly.

How does Sash! being commercial anger you that much?

What are you even getting angry about?

How did this argument even start? Did i offend you by likeing Sash!?

Are you ok?

I outlined my thoughts on Sash! being a ditzy act good for bouncing about to when you are gurning your face off on disco biscuits. I then refuted your argument about Sash! having had an original sound. They didn't.

Nowhere did I say being commercial was some evil thing to be frowned upon, nowhere did I say it angered me and nowhere did I claim Sash! encacted some grand conspiracy on us all to hoodwink us into believing they were anything more than a radio friendly cheese act.

This isin't the first time I've seen you beat about and patronise someone else for being supposedly angry what with all the questions and the making the other person out to be crazy. The tragedy is that you're too soft in the head to see the irony of it given what you just posted was the most seething, hysterical wad of period blood the thread has conjured up thus far.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Stu

I outlined my thoughts on Sash! being a ditzy act good for bouncing about to when you are gurning your face off on disco biscuits. I then refuted your argument about Sash! having had an original sound. They didn't.

Nowhere did I say being commercial was some evil thing to be frowned upon, nowhere did I say it angered me and nowhere did I claim Sash! encacted some grand conspiracy on us all to hoodwink us into believing they were anything more than a radio friendly cheese act.

This isin't the first time I've seen you beat about and patronise someone else for being supposedly angry what with all the questions and the making the other person out to be crazy. The tragedy is that you're too soft in the head to see the irony of it given what you just posted was the most seething, hysterical wad of period blood the thread has conjured up thus far.

You dont think saying Everyone knows Sash! is consiered a cheesy butt of the joke bastard child of the electronic music landscape is frowning upon them being commercial?

Face it you look down on Sash! as being untalented, unoriginal and to commercial for your liking.

Thats cool but i disagree.

Leave it there nut job.

[Zippy]

no way will he leave it there!

hold hands and listen to the video I posted.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Zippy

no way will he leave it there!

I think hes going to explode lol i dont understand whats going on?

How did i anger him so

[Stu]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

You dont think saying Everyone knows Sash! is consiered a cheesy butt of the joke bastard child of the electronic music landscape is frowning upon it?

Face it you look down on Sash! as being untalented, unoriginal and to commercial for your liking.

Thats cool but i disagree.

Leave it there nut job.

I don't see the problem with stating a fact. Sash! are considered a bit of a joke amongst serious heads. In fact in stating that all I was doing was reinforcing your own point that Sash! were frowned upon by the pill heads in ibiza back in the day for being to mainstream but Sash! never said he was anything but so its a lost argument.

You said I was trying to argue Sash! are considered a mainstream joke. I replied saying there is no need to argue it because I know thay are considered just that.

It couldn't be simpler, could it.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Stu

I don't see the problem with stating a fact. Sash! are considered a bit of a joke amongst serious heads. In fact in stating that all I was doing was reinforcing your own point that Sash! were frowned upon by the pill heads in ibiza back in the day for being to mainstream but Sash! never said he was anything but so its a lost argument.

You said I was trying to argue Sash! are considered a mainstream joke. I replied saying there is no need to argue it because I know thay are considered just that.

It couldn't be simpler, could it.

Well here you come accross clear and level headed whilst secretly trying to prove you havnt waffled on like some manic

but here.....

What the **** is dance? Dance is just a blanket term.


are you seriously arguing the lyrical merit of the stuff? Good god man. They might fit well with the tracks but they are autopop lyrics that mean jack ****. Heck he made a name out of penning any old garbage in multiple languages so as to ensure the songs would chart in different countries

Everyone knows Sash! is consiered a cheesy butt of the joke bastard child of the electronic music landscape

Please read that back and tell me that you were calmly stating facts and were not in fact arguing like some posessed woman

[Stu]

The first quote is me dismissing dance as too broad a term. My own personal opinion on the genre.

The second quote is me dismissing the lyrics as gibberish. My own personal opinion on the lyrics.

The third quote I've already responded to.




Welcome to forums. You state an opinion, I debate it with a counter opinion. Magic stuff, isin't it.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Stu

The first quote is me dismissing dance as too broad a term. My own personal opinion on the genre.

The second quote is me dismissing the lyrics as gibberish. My own personal opinion on the lyrics.

The third quote I've already responded to.




Welcome to forums. You state an opinion, I debate it with a counter opinion. Magic stuff, isin't it.

Thats a nice word

Im off to touch myself then to the land of nod.

Night sexy XxX

[Stu]

A Sash! fan to the last.

[Iceman]

mental cases

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Cheap video aswell...GRRR!

Youtube video

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Im so disapointed with this comeback. Sash! was the king of dance music and hes sold himself out with a rehash of "Ecuador" with some blonde bint singing over it in the style of Lady ****ING Gaga!

So bored of this **** thats in the charts at the moment.

BRING BACK SOME PROPER EUPHORIC ANTHEMS LIKE 1999!!

Anyway thats my thoughts on the song, What do you all think?

Youtube video

This is what happens when you listen to too much gaga and try to incorporate her style in your music see this is why non dance/trance artists should leave dance music alone. they're messing up the rhytms of true dance/trance artists and they dunno what to do anymore just like how movie stars have been the faces of cover magazines now and real models non likey

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

This is what happens when you listen to too much gaga and try to incorporate her style in your music see this is why non dance/trance artists should leave dance music alone. they're messing up the rhytms of true dance/trance artists and they dunno what to do anymore just like how movie stars have been the faces of cover magazines now and real models non likey

I really dont understand that post?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

I really dont understand that post?

which part don't you understand?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

which part don't you understand?

All of it lol

It just doesnt flow.

Rephrase please