[Zippy]

Oh ffs spare me all this she couldve given up if she wanted to blahblah

such simplistic bollocks and shows a serious lack of understanding about how drugs can take hold. And it's not just about the drugs it's about the state of the mind they take hold of. Amy has a history of issues regards her weight also so she was clearly a vulnerable soul.

Some can fight off drug addiction. For others it's an impossible task and there's only one outcome.

[Shaun]

I find it sad that people reduce drug addicts to just a statistic. They were a person too. Not every living moment was spent with a heroin needle, you know.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I find it sad that people reduce drug addicts to just a statistic. They were a person too. Not every living moment was spent with a heroin needle, you know.

Which is a matter for her family to grieve over, not people clutching copies of Back to Black and being completely hysterical over someone whose battle with addictive substances was laid bare for all to see and was clearly heading in this direction anyway. I realise I'm being really blunt but I think people being hysterical brings that out in me, haha. I'm not aiming this at anyone in particular, I'm just kind of annoyed by the stuff I'm reading on my Twitter feed, Facebook etc...

Zippy, the fact of the matter is that to quit addiction, you need to go cold turkey - Amy was an adult so it was impossible to make her give it up, so the choice was entirely hers. She still chose to take drugs and get drunk in the first instances, so regardless of whether or not she was mentally capable of quitting doesn't really factor into the equation for me - it was her choice, making her death her own fault. The situation in Norway was not about choice - I'm pissed off because people are raving on about Amy Winehouse instead of focusing on the real tragedy that occurred this weekend. Meh.

[Shaun]

What the **** is "being hysterical" about admiring a musician in light of their death?

[Z]

Originally Posted by Shaun

What the **** is "being hysterical" about admiring a musician in light of their death?

People being hysterical over her death and for some reason it being far more interesting to talk about than the bomb and massacre situation in Norway? Her problems have been all over the media for four years, I just think people should be more concerned about Norway than Amy Winehouse, get some perspective you know?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Zee

People being hysterical over her death and for some reason it being far more interesting to talk about than the bomb and massacre situation in Norway? Her problems have been all over the media for four years, I just think people should be more concerned about Norway than Amy Winehouse, get some perspective you know?

I could not have put it better if I'd tried. Well said.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Zee

People being hysterical over her death and for some reason it being far more interesting to talk about than the bomb and massacre situation in Norway? Her problems have been all over the media for four years, I just think people should be more concerned about Norway than Amy Winehouse, get some perspective you know?

Oh give over for christ sake. It's entirely forgiveable and acceptable to be more interested in a dead, talented celebrity than something that's happened to some strangers in Norway. Why are people pretending to care about Norway all of a sudden?

You answered your own concerns in that post. She's been all over the media for four years.

Sense of perspective? Unless someone is making a charitable donation what does it matter where their attention span is going? Sense of perspective? What about the current famine in Africa? That's killed more people than what happened in Norway.

Heck ... what about all the famines in Africa since we are going to go there? Who gives a crap about who gets to number one in the charts this week? Who cares what is number one at the box office? People are dying, damnit!

I hate to be so blunt but if you are going to start that car there is a lot of places you can take it. The vast majority of us demonstrably do not give a flying fuck about what is going on in the world.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Stu

Oh give over for christ sake. It's entirely forgiveable and acceptable to be more interested in a dead, talented celebrity than something that's happened in Norway. Why are people pretending to care about Norway all of a sudden?

You answered your own concerns in that post. She's been all over the media for four years.

Sense of perspective? Unless someone is making a charitable donation what does it matter where their attention span is going? Sense of perspective? What about the current famine in Africa? That's killed more people than what happened in Norway.

Heck ... what about all the famines in Africa since we are going to go there? Who gives a crap about who gets to number one in the charts this week? Who cares what is number one at the box office? People are dying, damnit!

I hate to be so blunt but if you are going to start that car there is a lot of places you can take it. The vast majority of us demonstrably do not give a flying fuck about what is going on in the world.

Why on earth do you alway come over so angry in your posts?

Why do you continually avoid the swear filter?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Why on earth do you alway come over so angry in your posts?

Why do you continually avoid the swear filter?

I'm not angry at all. Frustrated I guess that I have to respond to such an absurd point, hence the high volume of question marks and exclamation marks. Two friends whom you know very well.

Why are you responding to this post and not the argument I gave you? Why are you responding to my posting style and not my posts?

''If you want to go down that route, take it to PM''.

[tmi]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Why on earth do you alway come over so angry in your posts?

Why do you continually avoid the swear filter?

Perhaps he passionate bit like yourself when you have strong opnions, I agree with the swearing though.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Stu

Oh give over for christ sake. It's entirely forgiveable and acceptable to be more interested in a dead, talented celebrity than something that's happened in Norway. Why are people pretending to care about Norway all of a sudden?

You answered your own concerns in that post. She's been all over the media for four years.

Sense of perspective? Unless someone is making a charitable donation what does it matter where their attention span is going? Sense of perspective? What about the current famine in Africa? That's killed more people than what happened in Norway.

Heck ... what about all the famines in Africa since we are going to go there? Who gives a crap about who gets to number one in the charts this week? Who cares what is number one at the box office? People are dying, damnit!

I hate to be so blunt but if you are going to start that car there is a lot of places you can take it. The vast majority of us demonstrably do not give a flying fuck about what is going on in the world.

No, I am not going to "start that car" - it is quite obviously far more shocking that a man disguised himself as a police officer and killed 80+ teenagers in cold blood than the death of somebody who struggled with addiction for at least four years in the public eye. People are quite obviously entitled to be interested in the death of a celebrity, but my point was that she's not actually done anything of note for half a decade; there were empty promises of new material for a few years and then apparently recently she had actually been working on new material - but going by her abysmal performance in Serbia, I'm not sure I believe that she was in the frame of mind to be producing all that much in the way of music. I care about Norway, it shocked me and I'm stunned that people are disregarding it so soon after it happened in favour of this. It's not like her death was out of the blue, when someone's that messed up it's more a case of predicting when rather than if, is that something that anyone can seriously deny? She's been all over the media for four years because she has problems, now she's dead because of her problems, so what's left to talk about? There's no new music to show (at the moment - I expect they'll put out posthumous stuff) - I'd be more understanding if she was on the promotional trail at the moment. Maybe I'm just cold hearted when it comes to her, I just have no respect for people who CHOOSE to play with fire like she did and who then suffer for it, and I guess that's been exacerbated by the fact she's famous for being, well, a mess, and is now going to receive even more attention for it. Leave the poor woman alone, I guess that's my thought on the matter ultimately.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Zee

No, I am not "start that car" - it is quite obviously far more shocking that a man disguised himself as a police officer and killed 80+ teenagers in cold blood than the death of somebody who struggled with addiction for at least four years in the public eye. People are quite obviously entitled to be interested in the death of a celebrity, but my point was that she's not actually done anything of note for half a decade; there were empty promises of new material for a few years and then apparently recently she had actually been working on new material - but going by her abysmal performance in Serbia, I'm not sure I believe that she was in the frame of mind to be producing all that much in the way of music. I care about Norway, it shocked me and I'm stunned that people are disregarding it so soon after it happened in favour of this. It's not like her death was out of the blue, when someone's that messed up it's more a case of predicting when rather than if, is that something that anyone can seriously deny? She's been all over the media for four years because she has problems, now she's dead because of her problems, so what's left to talk about? There's no new music to show (at the moment - I expect they'll put out posthumous stuff) - I'd be more understanding if she was on the promotional trail at the moment. Maybe I'm just cold hearted when it comes to her, I just have no respect for people who CHOOSE to play with fire like she did and who then suffer for it, and I guess that's been exacerbated by the fact she's famous for being, well, a mess, and is now going to receive even more attention for it. Leave the poor woman alone, I guess that's my thought on the matter ultimately.

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What do you mean leave the poor woman alone? You don't think it's right that people are paying respect to the art she has left behind? I don't really understand any of that. What does it matter how out of her face she was recently or how much material she has had recently? Her death would be worth more if she had a new LP? Give her a chance to compete with those crafty Norway strangers your heart goes out to?

Are we really getting this banal about it? Bloody Nora. I'll leave this one until the morning because I'm getting merry now and I don't want to compromise my own arguments nor yours by offering up substandard responses but ... Jesus.

Honestly you sound way out of your element.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Zee

People being hysterical over her death and for some reason it being far more interesting to talk about than the bomb and massacre situation in Norway? Her problems have been all over the media for four years, I just think people should be more concerned about Norway than Amy Winehouse, get some perspective you know?

As I said on Twitter - I see absolutely no reason to compare the two? Do you have some kind of condition where tragedies have to be ranked in terms of importance or something?

The difference between the two stories is that people haven't listened to music from 92 Norwegian teenagers in the past 5 years. Of course she's going to get a bit more attention...she's famous As for myself, I've addressed both stories in the past 24 hours. I guess now I can be a real samaritan. Though I'm sure 3 people died in the Philippines today and I haven't expressed shock about that yet.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Shaun

As I said on Twitter - I see absolutely no reason to compare the two? Do you have some kind of condition where tragedies have to be ranked in terms of importance or something?

The difference between the two stories is that people haven't listened to music from 92 Norwegian teenagers in the past 5 years. Of course she's going to get a bit more attention...she's famous As for myself, I've addressed both stories in the past 24 hours. I guess now I can be a real samaritan. Though I'm sure 3 people died in the Philippines today and I haven't expressed shock about that yet.

What's the need for being patronising?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Zee

People being hysterical over her death and for some reason it being far more interesting to talk about than the bomb and massacre situation in Norway? Her problems have been all over the media for four years, I just think people should be more concerned about Norway than Amy Winehouse, get some perspective you know?

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...73#post4404973

Here is the thread for Norway Attack,
Zee.
Have you posted on it???



This thread is about the loss of Amy.

[joeysteele]

A while ago on a thread on here we were all discussing Amy and the comeback that never was really after her disastrous concert in Serbia.

It was felt she was a tortured soul and needed help, that she was surrounded by the wrong people in order to get that help and there was doubts she even wanted help.

Her Rehab song clearly having an irony to it now. This was the direction she was heading in, when I heard she'd died on the news I wasn't in the least surprised.

What a sad end at so young an age,I do mourn that because she really should have had all her life all before her with likely still great things to come.

I wasn't a mad fan of Amy at all,you cannot help but feel sad at her death in this way even it was in reality self inflicted.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

A while ago on a thread on here we were all discussing Amy and the comeback that never was really after her disastrous concert in Serbia.

It was felt she was a tortured soul and needed help, that she was surrounded by the wrong people in order to get that help and there was doubts she even wanted help.

Her Rehab song clearly having an irony to it now. This was the direction she was heading in, when I heard she'd died on the news I wasn't in the least surprised.

What a sad end at so young an age,I do mourn that because she really should have had all her life all before her with likely still great things to come.

I wasn't a mad fan of Amy at all,you cannot help but feel sad at her death in this way even it was in reality self inflicted.

Joey: my mind also went back to that other thread.....


http://thisisbigbrother.com/forums/s...2&postcount=32

Same path as others who have come, gone and on their way out: George Best, Gazza to name two. Talented but with their own demons. I see this being a recurring theme and most likely, it won't be the booze it will kill her, it'll be an overdose / suicide or massive organ failure. Sad, but a real possibility.

[tmi]

Tbh in the last few days people have lost lives whether they had them taken away or they took themselves. People lose loved ones all the time and it isnt in the press. Whether the plight in Norway or Amy Winehouse is one person death more important than another, the answer is No. They are all lost lives and my heart goes to all the familes concerned.

[tmi]

People are highlighting the fact she had drug problems, I think they should concentrate the music she left behind rather than her faults.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by tmi

People are highlighting the fact she had drug problems, I think they should concentrate the music she left behind rather than her faults.

This.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by tmi

People are highlighting the fact she had drug problems, I think they should concentrate the music she left behind rather than her faults.

Of course they are going to concentrate on her drug problem....that is what killed her.

There's another thread on the board for the nice stuff. I hear what you are saying: but this the subject of her life, they way she lived it, together with the way she died, it is going to be a talking point - for good or bad.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I understand many will be sad etc, but personally? She was an adult. She was able to make choices. No one forced her to take all manner of drugs, and no one forced her to hang around with the low life types that see did hang around with.

Sorry Lewis, this is one that I'm not in the least bit sympathetic with - if someone plays with fire and all that...... she had the financial means to get the hell away from people that were bad for her, had the means to get herself checked in somewhere very long term.

If she wanted to have done that, she would have - if she cared enough about her life (and I mean as in life expectancy), she had everything available to her if she had wanted to get away from people / lifestyle / drugs / alchohol.

I know I won't be popular - no change there - but that's the way I feel.

Originally Posted by Zee

That is how I feel. If she had truly wanted help, she had the means to go about it. There was nothing stopping her from moving into an isolated home in the countryside with a family member and cutting herself off from the world of drink and drugs she was immersed in. The only way to quit addiction is to go cold turkey. It is sad that she died, it's sad when anyone dies, there is always somebody who cares about somebody else's death, but I find the hysteria about her death that's mounting ridiculous for a few reasons. Firstly, she's "been working on a new album" for five years. She's produced no new music in half a decade. If the media hadn't made a show out of her drink and drug problem, she would have been forgotten about by most of the people in this thread until news of her death popped up with the odd "sad news, RIP " and that would be it. Instead, they made her life tabloid fodder and she's remained in the public eye for having drink and drug problems. Of course she was going to die young.

Originally Posted by Zee

She's not actually done anything of note for half a decade; there were empty promises of new material for a few years and then apparently recently she had actually been working on new material - but going by her abysmal performance in Serbia, I'm not sure I believe that she was in the frame of mind to be producing all that much in the way of music. I care about Norway, it shocked me and I'm stunned that people are disregarding it so soon after it happened in favour of this. It's not like her death was out of the blue, when someone's that messed up it's more a case of predicting when rather than if, is that something that anyone can seriously deny? She's been all over the media for four years because she has problems, now she's dead because of her problems, so what's left to talk about? There's no new music to show (at the moment - I expect they'll put out posthumous stuff) - I'd be more understanding if she was on the promotional trail at the moment. Maybe I'm just cold hearted when it comes to her, I just have no respect for people who CHOOSE to play with fire like she did and who then suffer for it, and I guess that's been exacerbated by the fact she's famous for being, well, a mess, and is now going to receive even more attention for it.

Yeah, I agree with most of the above .....

[Shaun]

Yes, leave the poor woman alone by tweeting "who the **** cares" and "Norway >"

[Z]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Yes, leave the poor woman alone by tweeting "who the **** cares" and "Norway >"

Yeah what I actually said was "seriously though, who cares? She spent half a decade being drunk/on drugs and not making music. RIP and all but jesus, Norway >"

I take no issue with people paying respects to her, I'm not a fan of her music but I respect that other people are, as I said in my first post in this thread, it's the stuff I'm reading on my social networking feeds that's pissing me off - she died, it's sad but it's not a shock?!

[Shaun]

Sorry Greg, must have misread

I think we all need to calm down