[Omah]

https://submissions.epetitions.direc...petitions/7337

Number of signatures:131,983

[arista]

Originally Posted by Omah

https://submissions.epetitions.direc...petitions/7337

Number of signatures:131,983

Yes the public want this.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by rhino

And if their benefits were taken away from them, what next, what would it solve, how would it make the situation better. Not all of them are on benefits anyway and the ones who are have enough for the essentials in life. But no, they want all the nice little extras as well, you know the things people have to work and save for. They're opportunist scum who saw a way of getting it and were brave enough because they had a mob along side them. They need to be involved in the clean up, working alongside the people who's lives theyv'e destroyed. They need to understand how hard people work to create something and make a living. They need to be made to understand what the hell they've done. Taking away what little they have will just create more crime and it's inhumane, whatever they have done. Make them work HARD, like the rest of us do, to help put their wrongs right. As for the murders, give them the maximum penalties. This is not about rich v poor, lets not make it about employedv unemployed. It's theft, plain and simple on a grand scale. They joined in beacause they could and thought they would get away with it and a lot of them will

Totally agree with you, a very reasoned, fair, understanding and practical post that really the Govt would do very well to take notice of.
Just a pity they likely won't see it. Far better than the talking shop we witnessed in the recall of Parliament yesterday.

I really couldn't add to all you've said rhino, a very commendable and informed post on this subject.

[Livia]

What about the ones who aren't on benefits? Are we going to make them homeless too? It's not going to be that egalitarian, is it. We don't need any more homeless on the streets, there are other ways to punish them.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Livia

What about the ones who aren't on benefits?

Confiscation of all their material possessions, except those required to sustain life .....

[Boothy]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

I absolutely love this post. It's so easy for people to blame all this on being poor and having no money, but that wasn't the reason the riots started, nor is it an excuse to act the way they were.

I was watching a bit of an interview with some girl who had been looting and her response to why she did it was 'because i can't afford these things'.

I was shocked. I can't afford most things, I don't go looting to get them though. I work hard and save my money. It's called life. These people need to learn that.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to justify what's gone on at all. I'm just saying taking away their benefits is a stupid idea. Like you said in your post, the girls were rioting and looting because ' they couldn't afford things'. Taking away what little they have will only make this worse.

Yes, they need to learn to work for things. Surely, at this point, community service is the best way to teach them this?

[Vicky.]

Stupid stupid idea

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thrashing them with a birch stick until the skin is flayed from their naked butts would be the best solution

[Omah]

The e-petition 'Convicted London rioters should loose all benefits.' signed by you recently reached 174,942 signatures and a response has been made to it.

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/7337

The Government has notified the Backbench Business Committee in the House of Commons who will consider its suitability for debate when Parliament returns in September. This e-petition will remain live, and people will be able to continue adding their signatures.

As you may be aware, the House of Commons debated the recent public disorder when Parliament was recalled on 11 August 2011 and there was an opportunity for MPs to address the substance of this e-petition. This does not preclude a decision by the Backbench Business Committee to schedule a further debate on this issue when the House of Commons returns from the summer recess.

In the meantime, we would like to update you on the Government’s current position on the substance of this e-petition.

Prisoners convicted of a criminal offence and detained in prison are not entitled to social security benefits. That means that anyone who is eligible for social security benefits and who is caught, convicted and imprisoned for any offence committed during the recent disorder that has disrupted London and other UK cities will be disqualified from receiving social security payments. The Department for Work and Pensions is also looking at whether further sanctions can be imposed on the benefit entitlements of individuals who receive non custodial sentences. In addition the Department is considering increasing the level of fines which can be deducted from benefit entitlement.

In relation to social housing, it is already a ground for eviction if a tenant or a member of their family is involved in anti-social behaviour or criminal activity in their local neighbourhood. Ministers have encouraged social landlords to use these powers, and a number of local authorities have pledged to do so. The Department for Communities and Local Government is consulting on proposals to allow such evictions to take place where the criminal activity takes place outside the vicinity of the local neighbourhood; more information is available to view here: http://www.communities.gov.uk/statem...publicdisorder

[joeysteele]

Not saying its wrong to evict people who have been convicted of involvement in these riots, however, it would seem on paper, they are going to have to evict a lot of people and families then, what problems will that then encourage if people end up overcrowding other homes or live mainly rough.
Surely the obvious result of that will be massive more crime.As was said last night on the young voters question time as to the riots, Govts have removed rights of diciplining their children from parents over the last few yars or more.

Children can even report their parents in some cases,this seems an ill thought out plan that needs far more consideration and discussing before allowing evictions en masse to take place.
I can only see chaos looming from evictions,especially if more than one person lives in the houses/flats and one or more are not invovled in the rioting events at all.

Policy and laws made in haste will be regretted later,amazed the Lib Dems are not insisting things move much slower on this one.

[Omah]

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/peti...unt&state=open

Now 220,347

[Cromwell1900]

A lot of this "Take their Benefits away" & make them homeless sounds a bit like an eye for an eye, and a loss of moral high ground, an ebbing away of the Character of a Country built up over years of historical understanding of why we have Laws to protect even the Guilty. Although not as extreme but Guantanamo Bay for the Americans has left their right to a Moral voice in the world in tatters, and was fueled by the type of anger only a Country with less Character could of thought up. Fighting fire with fire is tempting but of course it means everyone's house eventually burns down. Concentrate on the next generation and teach them at school what they are not getting from home i think.

[Tom]

It will just cause more problems than it solves. Its easy to say take the benefits off them but what about the implications of that? More riots, theft, protesting, homeless, unemployment where its inevitably going to cost the tax payer just as much to sort those problems out.

[billy123]

Christ i think everyone should come back to this topic when there knee's stop jerking.
There is no short term solution that will work. Educating young people properly and with more discipline is the solution but thats long term.

[Blog Rider]

I would go for losing some of there benefits to teach them a lesson, Losing there home is are no from me

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Blog Rider

I would go for losing some of there benefits to teach them a lesson, Losing there home is are no from me

I find your response a rational and good idea.Totally agree.

[Grimnir]

Every single rioter, is now an enemy of the kingdom. Do what must be done. Do not hesitate. Show no mercy.

Wipe them out..... all of them

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14810216

An e-petition calling for benefits to be removed from people convicted of rioting will not be discussed by MPs for at least a month.

The petition - along with one demanding the release of papers relating to the Hillsborough Stadium disaster - gained more than 100,000 signatures, which means it can be debated in the Commons.

But no MP called for the demands to be discussed during a meeting on Tuesday.

This means the petitions cannot be debated until early October.

The government launched its e-petitions site last month, promising that those which pass the 100,000-signature mark should at least be considered for a Commons debate.

Following riots in many English cities, a petition demanding that those convicted of taking part lose "all benefits" rapidly gained support, making it the first to reach the threshold.

A petition calling for the release of cabinet papers relating to the 1989 Hillsborough disaster - in which 96 Liverpool FC fans died - also gathered the required backing.

The Backbench Business Committee discussed subjects for Commons debate on the next available date - 15 September - at its meeting. But no MP spoke in favour of debating the petitioners' demands, meaning they cannot be included.

Instead discussions will either focus on defence, the fishing industry, Kashmir or food security.

Yet another "Big Society" idea fizzles out - MPs settle for their personal issues instead .....

[joeysteele]

Hmm, it's been derailed is the term. Seems Ministers and MPs are at loggerheads as to it.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15283837

The subject of the first e-petition to prompt a Parliamentary debate has been ignored by MPs when the debate took place.

The online petition - signed by more than 240,000* people - called for those convicted of involvement in the summer riots to be stripped of their benefits.

The three-hour debate in Westminster Hall covered the wider response to the riots, but did not touch on benefits.

The second debate prompted by an e-petition is to be held next week.

During the hearing, MPs shared their views on the causes of the riots, the police response and the impact on their constituencies.

Another of Cameron's Big Ideas swept under the carpet .....

* 247,739