[lostalex]

The man was clearly really pissed off, but he found a way that he thought would be humorous, he clearly had a tongue in his cheek the entire time. The man doesn't seem mean or horrible at all when i watch it.

I've seen mean people, and this man does not seem mean to me. he seemed frustrated sure, but he channeled that frustration in a creative way, and i don't think he was being mean or trying to "bully" or "humiliate" his daughter. He was actually being really creative. And i garuntee you his daughter will see the funny side a few years from now.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Salman!

I'm ok with you picking on me. And I'm ok with you picking on my posts, but I'm NOT ok with you picking on my kid. Yes, I've already dealt with the local police, who by the way said "From our entire department, Kudo's to you, sir."

Now I'm letting my daughter have her interview with Social Services,so they too can be satisfied that I don't yell at her, beat her, traumatize her, lock her in a closet without food, deprive her of basic human rights, make her cut the grass with scizzors, hunt for her meals in the wild with only a spork, or otherwise fail to provide for my daughter.

taken from his facebook.

see what this has all led to. social services and taunts to the kid etc.
bad parenting indeed.

Just to point something out to you Salman. The bit below (taken from what you quoted above, coming from the father's fb comments. See the words in RED

I'm ok with you picking on me. And I'm ok with you picking on my posts, but I'm NOT ok with you picking on my kid. Yes, I've already dealt with the local police, who by the way said "From our entire department, Kudo's to you, sir."

Explain to me Salman, how a father sticking up for his child, making it very public that he is NOT ok with people picking on his daughter: explain to me why you think that is bad parenting.

[Roy Mars III]

He obviously didn't expect more than her friends and such to see it. It was proabably a silly thing to do, but he had probably tried other forms of punishment which didn't work and was desperate to try to find something that did. That I can understand.

Hopefully through all this the spoiled brat learned some respect

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

The man was clearly really pissed off, but he found a way that he thought would be humorous, he clearly had a tongue in his cheek the entire time. The man doesn't seem mean or horrible at all when i watch it.

I've seen mean people, and this man does not seem mean to me.

I saw a father who was absolutley incensed, very angry, unbelievably disappointed and at the end of his tether with his very ungrateful and spoiled daughter's behaviour.

He explained why he was now feeling he had no other option than to get his message over to her in this manner - a way in which the daughter understood - by airing it all in public - becauase all other previous punishments were not having any effect of her - she was still doing it.

[Lee.]

Hahaha... brilliant. The cheeky spoilt little brat may have to get a job to buy a new laptop now!

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Salman!

Aside from the video what parent blatantly shows their child that they carry a gun let alone shoot their child's posessions?? Is he leading an example??? That is no doubt bad parenting.

Parents who lives in areas and countries whereby it is legal, allowed and possibly necessary.

You know nothing about the reasons for him having a firearm.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

ha... ya daftie. I didn't mean with a gun! God forbid !

No, I mean as in the way you've explained - you've tried it youself and found that it wasn't the best way, it didn't work and found another option.

I'm thinking that the father has tried the 'other option' before and has been left with no alternative but to go down this route now (if you get what I mean).

Death threats... no idea, I believe it was JH95 (I think, cba checking back) that brought that comment into play.

Ok thanks, I'll look back through the thread to see if I've missed a link.

.....I do understand the dad's frustration and his disappointment and as a parent I can relate to it...there are good and valid points in what he says...I just wish he hadn't invaldated these imo, by 'dealing' with it at the same level as his daughters viewpoint.....It would be better to 'educate' her as to where he was coming from...well, I know he kind of did by telling her what her duties were...but he didn't do it calmly and he didn't explain why it was important that she did them and how valued her input would make her....I'm aware this seems like a bit of a 'soppy' approach, but I can't help it because I know chilren and young people can 'behave badly'...but I also see that how an adult gets them to reflect on that behaviour and it's effects is all important to the way forward

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Salman!

Exactly, he was just seeking attention. If he knows so much about computers then he would know that this would be prone to becoming viral and resulting into deaththreats. The attention seeker. Parenting skills of a doughnut.

Knowing about computers doesn't mean you know about the media and society and how people can respond to certain things.

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Yes, land of the free. Where citizens are trusted to have the same power as the government. It's called LIBERTY. Look it up.

Or maybe you think only the government should be allowed to have weapons? Tell me how that is liberty?

I do not need to
I have Worked in California.

[Pyramid*]

From the father's fb 3 hours ago.

Personally, I stand behind the decision I made earlier this week by posting the video. I don't find fault with it. If I had it to do again... let's see... I'd do it almost the same.


I'd have worn my Silverbelly Stetson, not my Tilley hat if I'd known that image was going to follow me the rest of my life and I'd probably have cleaned my boots.

That's it. I meant all the rest of it. My wife is OK with it. My daughter is OK with it. My Mother is OK with it. I'm OK with it. We're the only ones that matter.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Ok thanks, I'll look back through the thread to see if I've missed a link.

.....I do understand the dad's frustration and his disappointment and as a parent I can relate to it...there are good and valid points in what he says...I just wish he hadn't invaldated these imo, by 'dealing' with it at the same level as his daughters viewpoint.....It would be better to 'educate' her as to where he was coming from...well, I know he kind of did by telling her what her duties were...but he didn't do it calmly and he didn't explain why it was important that she did them and how valued her input would make her....I'm aware this seems like a bit of a 'soppy' approach, but I can't help it because I know chilren and young people can 'behave badly'...but I also see that how an adult gets them to reflect on that behaviour and it's effects is all important to the way forward

The other point is: what works for some, doesn't work for others. It's a fine balance with any parent/child relationship...... and as I'm sure you'll be able to speak from experience even when you find that balance: out of the blue - suddenly what used to work, doesn't. Moreso I think when kids start hitting puberty and all hell is breaking lose inside their bodies that they have no control over either.

Not easy being a kid, sure as hell aint for the parents either !!

By the sounds of things though, the father, mother and daughter are all honkey dorey with it all anyway.

[CharlieO]

She sounds like a spoilt little **** tbh

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

She sounds like a spoilt little **** tbh

Thing is: many of us older ones on here know that this is how it feels when you are a teenager: that's what the teenage years bring (for both the kids and the parents). Teenagers think they've really got a hard life, and are really hard done by: parents know that's not the case and like her father, compared what she has at her age, with his life when he was her age: and she had nothing to be bitching about.


And I agree with Lee... this will be one of those brilliant family stories that come out at Weddings etc and will provide lots of laughs years down the line.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

The other point is: what works for some, doesn't work for others. It's a fine balance with any parent/child relationship...... and as I'm sure you'll be able to speak from experience even when you find that balance: out of the blue - suddenly what used to work, doesn't. Moreso I think when kids start hitting puberty and all hell is breaking lose inside their bodies that they have no control over either.

Not easy being a kid, sure as hell aint for the parents either !!

By the sounds of things though, the father, mother and daughter are all honkey dorey with it all anyway.

Indeed...and as he says...they're the ones that matter
I absolutely understand why he feels as he does and his frustrations and it was right for him to respond...but that doesn't make his response right imo. He started off with a very valid point and instead of diffusing..he escalated it...it's a shame...I did want to be supportive of him...but I can't. I do think that somehow he thought he was doing the right thing though, and that makes him, in his way a caring parent...unfortunately, I think he missed the mark

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Indeed...and as he says...they're the ones that matter
I absolutely understand why he feels as he does and his frustrations and it was right for him to respond...but that doesn't make his response right imo. He started off with a very valid point and instead of diffusing..he escalated it...it's a shame...I did want to be supportive of him...but I can't. I do think that somehow he thought he was doing the right thing though, and that makes him, in his way a caring parent...unfortunately, I think he missed the mark

Having seen the laptop, I think on the contrary, he hit the mark and 7 times I believe - and spot on!

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Having seen the laptop, I think on the contrary, he hit the mark and 7 times I believe - and spot on!

...LOL...so he did

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...LOL...so he did

tee hee...

I get the feeling that the whole family are possibly laughing at all of this right now. I did happen to like very much the fact that father put it over very clearly that it wasn't okay for people to be picking on his daughter....... that puts a lot of it into perspective for me.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

tee hee...

I get the feeling that the whole family are possibly laughing at all of this right now. I did happen to like very much the fact that father put it over very clearly that it wasn't okay for people to be picking on his daughter....... that puts a lot of it into perspective for me.

...absolutely, and although I do think he escalated the situation, he has taken steps to amend it....I think he is attempting to be a good parent and the 'impulse' of both there actions and the repercussions will hopefully give them both food for thought

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...absolutely, and although I do think he escalated the situation, he has taken steps to amend it....I think he is attempting to be a good parent and the 'impulse' of both there actions and the repercussions will hopefully give them both food for thought

No one ever said life was easy........ methinks all concerned are more than aware of that now eh! LOL.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...absolutely, and although I do think he escalated the situation, he has taken steps to amend it....I think he is attempting to be a good parent and the 'impulse' of both there actions and the repercussions will hopefully give them both food for thought

I guess thats true

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Your first point about the use of your words. You want a serious debate and to be taken seriously, then don't use those words. It wasn't an attack, more advice. Your opinion will be strengthened by cutting out the swear words. Using them in a debate can come across as childish.

That's because, as I said, you have bought into the idea that they're such awful words and 'unacceptable' and must be avoided. I haven't however...because they're just words. A few letters stuck together that some person has given some 'bad' meaning thousands of years ago, so what? Doesn't actually mean it is bad. And not swearing/swearing doesn't change my point at all. A few words inserted inside of sentences that I've used to describe what I think of this man doesn't exactly change the way my point reads, it's all the same.

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Secondly to your point about 'you youngsters'. I actually said a lot of, not all, meaning that there are a many number of youngsters out there who do expect everything for nothing in the society in which we live today. If you take personal insult from that comment then maybe that says more about you.

That's fair enough then, I apologise for jumping to conclusions.

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Thirdly, again you are judging his actions based on what little of their lives you have seen. You don't know more about them, you can only merely speculate like the majority of us, yet you seem to make your speculation overly bias in favour of the daughter. Children and teenagers can be one of the most testing things in the world, something that most of us do not see until we grow up a bit. But to call his parenting bad; on what grounds do you base that on other than what little you know or have read from the internet?

I'm sorry but neither you or anyone else can accuse me of judging his actions and passing comments on him because the large majority of you have done exactly the same thing with his daughter. You're all sitting there making remarks like 'spoilt little brat' etc...when, as you say, you haven't met her, and don't actually know what she's like? If I can't make comments on those grounds, neither can anyone else really. But...I'd have thought, considering we can actually get some sort of an idea as to what this man is like from the video, that's at least more evidence than speculating and passing comment on what his daughter is like, when no one has even seen a picture of her, let alone a video. At least we've seen the man.

And I base his bad parenting on what I've seen in the video. The video itself is bad parenting, that's the point. He has publicly humiliated his own daughter to the entire world. Any instances where a parent has to embarrass or humiliate their children are wrong, if you ask me. That, whichever way you cut it, is a form of bullying. Just how it would be the same if someone else attempted to embarrass and humiliate you. There's no excuses for it. Doing things like that can seriously effect some people's self-esteem - and from your own father? Totally unacceptable.

Originally Posted by ukturtle

And lastly, anything on the internet or in real life can cause psychological trauma, stress etc. I honestly think that if anyone contemplated suicide over this then they are either being overly dramatic or are in need of serious mental help. But maybe this story will wake a lot of the world up to just how volatile and unprotected the internet really is, but I sadly doubt it will.

That seems very ignorant to me, I'm sorry. You might agree with his actions, but to say that something like this couldn't cause psychological trauma or the like, seriously? She's been humiliated in front of the entire world by her own father. We all know how bad it is to be humiliated or embarrassed in front of a few people, but in front of millions? Seriously? Knowing that so many people are passing judgement on her when they've never even met her, abusing her etc. That's just...I can't even begin to contemplate how I'd feel. Some people may be strong enough to deal with that...but others certainly wouldn't be.

[Z]

Oh, Jack's multi quoting, ****'s getting serious.

I applaud this man. Does anyone who disapproves of this seriously think he would have done this if she hadn't pushed him to it? He clearly explains why he's going to do what he's about to do. She humiliated him on a public forum for all to see - why shouldn't he take serious action in response? She'll certainly never do it again. His points about us being a lazy generation are so on point, and it says a lot that so many of the people taking the daughter's side in this are the same age as her. We, that includes me, do not appreciate the value of money. We get given so much and actually come to expect it from our parents, we don't ever stop to think about how it's a luxury that we get nice things from them. My iPhone is having sound problems at the moment. I would like a new one. I didn't buy this phone, it used to be my dad's, and there's no way I have the money to just go out and buy a new one. In the past, I would have just expected my parents to pick up the bill for me, but now I've come to accept that I am an adult and have been for years - it is not their responsibility to look after me, it's their choice to. That girl should not have posted such a thing about her parents online. She knows what her father is like better than anyone here and if he's to be believed, he had given her plenty of warning about this before, and I don't doubt that because he's stated it in a video that has now gone viral and has been INVESTIGATED by authorities. She should have known better - and this video is perhaps the wake up call that she, and our generation, needs. Jack, Jords etc you are shocked that he went that far. That says a lot. You feel sympathy for the daughter because he's used intimidation, right? He didn't have to buy her that laptop, or spend all day upgrading it for her. It's his money, not hers. He's taken a luxury away from her. As the parent, that's his right, and I don't see how you can argue against that. His house, his rules, we all need to learn some respect for what our parents had to work for, and just because the world's a changing place doesn't mean we get to be ungrateful as a result of it.

[Jack_]

His points are fair but his methods are wrong, it's that simple really. You do not humiliate your own daughter at all, let alone in front of the entire world.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Zee

Oh, Jack's multi quoting, ****'s getting serious.

I applaud this man. Does anyone who disapproves of this seriously think he would have done this if she hadn't pushed him to it? He clearly explains why he's going to do what he's about to do. She humiliated him on a public forum for all to see - why shouldn't he take serious action in response? She'll certainly never do it again. His points about us being a lazy generation are so on point, and it says a lot that so many of the people taking the daughter's side in this are the same age as her. We, that includes me, do not appreciate the value of money. We get given so much and actually come to expect it from our parents, we don't ever stop to think about how it's a luxury that we get nice things from them. My iPhone is having sound problems at the moment. I would like a new one. I didn't buy this phone, it used to be my dad's, and there's no way I have the money to just go out and buy a new one. In the past, I would have just expected my parents to pick up the bill for me, but now I've come to accept that I am an adult and have been for years - it is not their responsibility to look after me, it's their choice to. That girl should not have posted such a thing about her parents online. She knows what her father is like better than anyone here and if he's to be believed, he had given her plenty of warning about this before, and I don't doubt that because he's stated it in a video that has now gone viral and has been INVESTIGATED by authorities. She should have known better - and this video is perhaps the wake up call that she, and our generation, needs. Jack, Jords etc you are shocked that he went that far. That says a lot. You feel sympathy for the daughter because he's used intimidation, right? He didn't have to buy her that laptop, or spend all day upgrading it for her. It's his money, not hers. He's taken a luxury away from her. As the parent, that's his right, and I don't see how you can argue against that. His house, his rules, we all need to learn some respect for what our parents had to work for, and just because the world's a changing place doesn't mean we get to be ungrateful as a result of it.

Excellent post Greg... I agree with all your points.

So many kids have no respect for anyone anymore... its good to see a parent taking a stand as I reckon a lot just accept their kids are disrespectful, ungrateful and spoiled as a sign of the times.

I blame the Disney Channel

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

His points are fair but his methods are wrong, it's that simple really. You do not humiliate your own daughter at all, let alone in front of the entire world.

When I was a kid, cheek or insolence resulted in a slapped arse. Humiliating, but I have ended up a respectful being who is endlessly thankful for how my mum brought me up.