[thesheriff443]

kizzy i dont think you are racist,
but i do think you like to go against the grain,
your posts always gets people posting!,

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't know why you're taking my comment to someone elses post as a personal attack on your self That's my opinion.

Sobig accused me of racism...and you agreed to his comment, indirectly then you are calling me a racist....
If thats how you feel fine, I don't accept it but fine.

[Ammi]

..I don't think age has anything to do with this..and I do believe you can 'write someone off' from one comment..because he wrote himself off with that..it doesn't matter what he said before or after..he made a racist remark..'you will always be black..don't hide behind the colour of your skin' ..the colour of his skin is irrelevant..by the definition of racism..that one race thinks they are superior to another..that remark was blatant racism..and whatever else he said..is irrelevant..as you can see..it was for the guy he arrested
..People wouldn't defend or excuse racists, bigotry, bullies etc..in everyday life (as with the woman on the tube)..but in a position of power and trust like the police force..I think that's a dangerous thing to have

[Kizzy]

Thanks ammi, I heard what was said ..And if thats how you feel thats great.

[Mystic Mock]

I don't think Kizzy is racist either,I do think she's being a bit naive though.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

I don't think Kizzy is racist either,I do think she's being a bit naive though.

I would be less offended if you had called me racist....I have looked at all sides and decided I can't with that clip make a decision on this officer.
If you think thats naive ok...

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I would be less offended if you had called me racist....I have looked at all sides and decided I can't with that clip make a decision on this officer.
If you think thats naive ok...

I think being naive is better than being a racist but each to there own.

The fact that makes me think your naive is,is that you don't seem to think calling him a ****** and don't hide behind the colour of your skin is not a racist and that it was just him being stressed out because of The Riots,but I know if I was in his shoes that I wouldn't have said half the stuff to him that his reported to have said,they are probably covering up some of the other stuff his said aswell.

[thesheriff443]

a white man called a black man a ******,
thats racist!,

[Mrluvaluva]

And with regards to the three men involved:

"A policeman has been captured on tape allegedly assaulting a young black teenager just hours after a colleague of his was recorded abusing another man with a serious racial slur.

PC Joe Harrington has been placed on restricted duties after he was allegedly seen kicking the 15-year-old to the ground and kneeing him, in the custody area of an east London police station. Part of the incident was recorded on CCTV.

An independent investigation into the alleged assault on the 15-year-old concluded last week and a report, understood to recommend disciplinary action, was submitted to the Metropolitan police on Monday. The force will now consider what if any action to take against Harrington.

Hours earlier, Harrington was present when another officer, PC Alex MacFarlane, was recorded on a mobile phone telling Mauro Demetrio, 21, a black man from Beckton in east London, that "the problem with you is you will always be a ******". Growing controversy over the two incidents, which occurred shortly after the riots last summer, have triggered urgent reviews by the Crown Prosecution Service into initial legal advice that neither officer should be charged."


full story


Claims have also emerged last night that police raided Demetrio's home 24 hours after he complained in an attempt to intimidate him.

Officers investigating the London riots seized a widescreen TV and accused him of being a looter, but were forced to hand it back after he found the receipt. A family friend said he suspected the raid was an attempt to ‘hush him up’.


Daily Mail

[Kizzy]

It is on the same night, if he had asked the duty officer to look at his phone would they have heard the incident and gave him the phone back to him when he was released?.....And they call me naive.

Why do we need the daily mails angle?...The full story is on page 1...

[Mrluvaluva]

Sorry? Not sure I get what you mean?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by kizzy

It is on the same night, if he had asked the duty officer to look at his phone would they have heard the incident and gave him the phone back to him when he was released?.....And they call me naive.

when he went into custidy,he told the custody sargent what happened,
the phone was evidence,of what happened it would have been logged in as evidence and treated as a crime even tho it involved police officers!

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Why do we need the daily mails angle?...The full story is on page 1...

Mm. No it's not. Unless you didn't read my post?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

Mm. No it's not. Unless you didn't read my post?

There is a link to a Daily Mail article on the subject in your post...

[thesheriff443]

wpc kizzy,lol

[Brother Leon]

Wouldn't say Kizzy is racist.


You are narrow minded though if you genuinely feel this is not racist.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by kizzy

There is a link to a Daily Mail article on the subject in your post...

Which is a link to the source of the part I posted which quotes:

"Claims have also emerged last night that police raided Demetrio's home 24 hours after he complained in an attempt to intimidate him.

Officers investigating the London riots seized a widescreen TV and accused him of being a looter, but were forced to hand it back after he found the receipt. A family friend said he suspected the raid was an attempt to ‘hush him up’."

This is something that was not in the original article as it "emerged last night".

Your point is?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by King_Anton

Wouldn't say Kizzy is racist.


You are narrow minded though if you genuinely feel this is not racist.

Well thanks for that anton , Im not narrow minded though...have seen riots and the aftermath from every angle, everything is multifaceted.
The police are never going to be blameless, they are a representation of society much as we want them to be perfect it is never going to happen....
Minorities will always be blamed by other sectors and youths are a soft target by governments to sway popular opinion...
I try so hard NOT to be influenced by the media and popular opinion and form my own view, its upsetting when you are labelled for questioning .....
Wouldn't it be easier to just take what is being fed to you as gospel?...Without question.
If I find later im wrong fair play, but i won't be railroaded into a mindset...believe me.

[Ammi]

A policeman has been filmed on CCTV allegedly assaulting a teenage boy just hours after his colleague was recorded apparently racially abusing a man, it was reported.

Both incidents happened on August 11 last year as police officers in London dealt with the fallout of the riots sweeping the capital.
Last week sources confirmed Pc Alex MacFarlane of the Metropolitan Police had been suspended after a recording was made of a suspect being called a "n.....".

The arrested man, named as Mauro Demetrio, 21, from Beckton, east London, was arrested on suspicion of drug driving but no action was later taken.

He recorded the abuse on his mobile phone.

The Guardian has reported that another officer, who it said was with Pc MacFarlane when Mr Demetrio was abused, was placed on restricted duties after later being allegedly seen kicking the 15-year-old black boy to the ground and kneeing him.

The incident was said to have happened in the custody area of an east London police station with part of the incident recorded on CCTV.

An independent investigation into the alleged assault on the teenager ended last week and a report, understood to recommend disciplinary action, has been submitted to the Metropolitan police, the Guardian reported.

A Metropolitan Police Spokesman said: "This matter was referred to the IPCC and the officer placed on restricted duties pending the outcome of their independent investigation.

"We have now received their findings and recommendations which we will consider and respond to.

"The decision about who is investigated as a result of a complaint and who is treated as a witness is a decision for the investigators, in this case the IPCC.

"The status of an officer who is under investigation is carefully considered by the MPS on a case by case basis taking account of the circumstances and in line with national police regulations.

"The decision is reviewed on a 28 day basis in consultation with the IPCC when they are investigating the matter.

"When an investigation has concluded, and if an officer is found to have failed in the high standards expected of them, then we will instigate misconduct proceedings."

Referring to both incidents, Commander Peter Spindler of the Directorate of Professional Standards said: "We are taking these allegations extremely seriously.

"Any use of racist language or excessive use of force is totally unacceptable; at the conclusion of any criminal proceedings we will instigate the appropriate internal action."

[Livia]

I think the overwhelming opinion of this forum is that it is unacceptable for a police officer to use racist language - ever. There are no mitigating circumstances and there are no excuses. So I can't see how this story has had this much mileage. It seems the police officer has only one supporter. If that one supporter refuses to believe there is any kind of crack in her argument, then this is going to rumble on for another five pages without getting anywhere.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think the overwhelming opinion of this forum is that it is unacceptable for a police officer to use racist language - ever. There are no mitigating circumstances and there are no excuses. So I can't see how this story has had this much mileage. It seems the police officer has only one supporter. If that one supporter refuses to believe there is any kind of crack in her argument, then this is going to rumble on for another five pages without getting anywhere.

Livia, why are you being so rude? I am entitled to my opinion on this news item, I don't care how many other forum members do or don't share my view...
And I will continue to debate it for as long as there are people open minded enough to discuss it.
Yes it is a contentious issue,if you don't want to be a part of the discussion fine, dont post...simple as.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

A policeman has been filmed on CCTV allegedly assaulting a teenage boy just hours after his colleague was recorded apparently racially abusing a man, it was reported.

Both incidents happened on August 11 last year as police officers in London dealt with the fallout of the riots sweeping the capital.
Last week sources confirmed Pc Alex MacFarlane of the Metropolitan Police had been suspended after a recording was made of a suspect being called a "n.....".

The arrested man, named as Mauro Demetrio, 21, from Beckton, east London, was arrested on suspicion of drug driving but no action was later taken.

He recorded the abuse on his mobile phone.

The Guardian has reported that another officer, who it said was with Pc MacFarlane when Mr Demetrio was abused, was placed on restricted duties after later being allegedly seen kicking the 15-year-old black boy to the ground and kneeing him.

The incident was said to have happened in the custody area of an east London police station with part of the incident recorded on CCTV.

An independent investigation into the alleged assault on the teenager ended last week and a report, understood to recommend disciplinary action, has been submitted to the Metropolitan police, the Guardian reported.

A Metropolitan Police Spokesman said: "This matter was referred to the IPCC and the officer placed on restricted duties pending the outcome of their independent investigation.

"We have now received their findings and recommendations which we will consider and respond to.

"The decision about who is investigated as a result of a complaint and who is treated as a witness is a decision for the investigators, in this case the IPCC.

"The status of an officer who is under investigation is carefully considered by the MPS on a case by case basis taking account of the circumstances and in line with national police regulations.

"The decision is reviewed on a 28 day basis in consultation with the IPCC when they are investigating the matter.

"When an investigation has concluded, and if an officer is found to have failed in the high standards expected of them, then we will instigate misconduct proceedings."

Referring to both incidents, Commander Peter Spindler of the Directorate of Professional Standards said: "We are taking these allegations extremely seriously.

"Any use of racist language or excessive use of force is totally unacceptable; at the conclusion of any criminal proceedings we will instigate the appropriate internal action."

Not sure why you chose to post this as someone else already posted the link ammi.
Key word in this article is allegedly

[Kizzy]

Latest article from the guardian...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ap...cist-behaviour

[Livia]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Livia, why are you being so rude? I am entitled to my opinion on this news item, I don't care how many other forum members do or don't share my view...
And I will continue to debate it for as long as there are people open minded enough to discuss it.
Yes it is a contentious issue,if you don't want to be a part of the discussion fine, dont post...simple as.

I'm not being rude I'm just stating the obvious. You've made your point over and over again and so has everyone else. I have been a part of this discussion and, like you, I can post in any thread I choose. But I don't see that there's any more to say than has already been said. All the posts in the world won't convince me that the officer was right. The issue is only contentious because you're making it contentious. The majority feel that the officer was wrong. I'm with the majority. If you feel you want to continue to excuse the inexcusable, that's your call.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm not being rude I'm just stating the obvious. You've made your point over and over again and so has everyone else. I have been a part of this discussion and, like you, I can post in any thread I choose. But I don't see that there's any more to say than has already been said. All the posts in the world won't convince me that the officer was right. The issue is only contentious because you're making it contentious. The majority feel that the officer was wrong. I'm with the majority. If you feel you want to continue to excuse the inexcusable, that's your call.

The officer like everyone is entitled to a fair trial, I thought you of all people would appreciate that livia.
If you wish to post stick to the subject in discussion and not your opinion on me or my view...Im not on trial here either.