[Redway]

Originally Posted by spitfire

If you don't want to hear my answer, don't ask me a question.

I didn't know your answers were going to be so nonsensical and ridiculous. Don't even think about associating my posts with your nonsense in future. In fact I don't even want to see you. Add me to your ignore list and I'll do the same.

[Ammi]

..we're all such judges of morality here..so far as I know it hasn't even been confirmed that it is his sister..nor any of the circumstances...
..until the details are confirmed by Scott's own family and not some sleazy gossip rag the 'moral' thing is to reserve all judgements of his family situation and how he deals with his emotions and focus on his actions in the house..the rest is of nobody's concern other than to Scott and his family

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..we're all such judges of morality here..so far as I know it hasn't even been confirmed that it is his sister..nor any of the circumstances...
..until the details are confirmed by Scott's own family and not some sleazy gossip rag the 'moral' thing is to reserve all judgements of his family situation and how he deals with his emotions and focus on his actions in the house..the rest is of nobody's concern other than to Scott and his family

Perfectly said Ammi.

[spitfire]

Originally Posted by Redway

I didn't know your answers were going to be so nonsensical and ridiculous. Don't even think about associating my posts with your nonsense in future. In fact I don't even want to see you. Add me to your ignore list and I'll do the same.

No.

[spitfire]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..we're all such judges of morality here

He is on a TV show where every little thing he does will be judged by the public.................his choice.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by spitfire

He is on a TV show where every little thing he does will be judged by the public.................his choice.

He has never raised it or discussed it in the house yet that we have seen though, we would never have known about if BB hadn't even mentioned he had to leave the house for a time due to a family bereavement.

Then the press publicised it,however any knowledge of it has not come from Scott himself who prefers to keep his feelings under wrap.Therefore it hasn't been made an issue by Scott himself for others to make any judgement on, not that I personally believe we should because grief is something that has no norm as to how it affects people.

I can understand people of a different perspective not able to take that on board but as has been said, grief is dealt with in many different ways, Tom, last year for instance, had a bereavement in his family, he left the house too when it happened and for the funeral I believe but he still continued his whole experience in Big Brother.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by spitfire

He is on a TV show where every little thing he does will be judged by the public.................his choice.

...we aren't judging them on their pasts or their family situations or how they deal with them..the only relevance is what happens on BB...I don't see why Scott should be judged any differently to the others...we're not looking into their family relationships

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

He has never raised it or discussed it in the house yet that we have seen though, we would never have known about if BB hadn't even mentioned he had to leave the house for a time due to a family bereavement.

Then the press publicised it,however any knowledge of it has not come from Scott himself who prefers to keep his feelings under wrap.Therefore it hasn't been made an issue by Scott himself for others to make any judgement on, not that I personally believe we should because grief is something that has no norm as to how it affects people.

Maybe he's decided to keep this unfortunate event "under wraps", because he suspects the other HMs would be shocked or horrified that his sister has just died, and he didn't leave the house to support his family. That's just a theory i know, and it maybe wrong. But he decided to go back in, and i don't see anything wrong with speculating about his motivations.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by psychtracker

Maybe he's decided to keep this unfortunate event "under wraps", because he suspects the other HMs would be shocked or horrified that his sister has just died, and he didn't leave the house to support his family. That's just a theory i know, and it maybe wrong. But he decided to go back in, and i don't see anything wrong with speculating about his motivations.

Agreed, we can call Trampy a Tramp, Conor boring etc, why should Scott avoid speculation, he put himself in that situation I expect he knows he will be talked about both in good terms and in bad. If he goes out for the funeral I would imagine the HMs will want to know how close a relative this is.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by spitfire

No.

In which case I'll add you to mine.

[joeysteele]

Actually the really good thing is that no matter who it is that has sadly died, whether Scott goes out for the funeral or not,whether he stays in the BB house or not,I believe he will find real non-judgemental understanding and support from even the coldest of the housemates around him as to whatever he decides to do and whatever the circumstances of who has died.

I cannot see where he put himself in that situation,he didn't arrange the death of anyone, he didn't even announce it, it was BB who did,to our knowledge,even to the people who went to him once he returned to the house he didn't play on it or talk about the issue.
They seem to have totally respected that and him for that matter,they are also likely there for him too if he should need any or even all of them.

Thank goodness he is in there where there is a lot more support and understanding if needed.

[smeagol]

they should tell us. we are meant to vote for this guy. and i'd like to know if his merely coping best he can or just a cold hearted fame hungry rat.

[Ammi]

..they don't have to tell us anything in regards to his family situation...a family death is of no concern to the BB public..if Scott wants to talk about it he will...whether people vote for him or not when he is nominated is their decision..hopefully based on his time in the house..as with any other housemate

...nobody is 'meant' to vote..they do so out of choice

[smeagol]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..they don't have to tell us anything in regards to his family situation...a family death is of no concern to the BB public..if Scott wants to talk about it he will...whether people vote for him or not when he is nominated is their decision..hopefully based on his time in the house..as with any other housemate

...nobody is 'meant' to vote..they do so out of choice

they should tell us. its a game show a competetion. how would people feel if say he wins it and gets the money. then it turns out his sister who he see's all the time died suddenly and he didn't even give a crap. there would be a uproar.
The whole idear of this show is us the public trying to get to know these nobody's and form a opinion of who should stay/ go and who should win. personally i want to know if he is a cold hearted so and so or not. ....... all seems odd to me.

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Actually the really good thing is that no matter who it is that has sadly died, whether Scott goes out for the funeral or not,whether he stays in the BB house or not,I believe he will find real non-judgemental understanding and support from even the coldest of the housemates around him as to whatever he decides to do and whatever the circumstances of who has died.

I cannot see where he put himself in that situation,he didn't arrange the death of anyone, he didn't even announce it, it was BB who did,to our knowledge,even to the people who went to him once he returned to the house he didn't play on it or talk about the issue.
They seem to have totally respected that and him for that matter,they are also likely there for him too if he should need any or even all of them.

Thank goodness he is in there where there is a lot more support and understanding if needed.

I find this a bizarre notion that you seem to be promoting the BB house as some of psychological counseling camp, or something. You gotta remember they've all known each for a little over 10 days. Plus, every word they utter has the potential to be broadcast on National TV to 1.5 million pple. So, i wouldn't exactly say the BB house is the ideal environment for coping with a family tragedy, or a highly personal event on the outside.

[Ammi]

...a family bereavement is private and that doesn't change just because a member of that family is on a TV gameshow..we don't have any rights to know anything..it's down to the family if they choose to make any information public...I certainly wouldn't..they have enough to think about..I'm sure making a statement to the press is the last thing to worry about...
..any opinion of Scott is made of his time in the house..we have no 'claim' whatsoever to any of their lives outside..
...anyone who judges him as 'cold hearted' wont vote for him I'm sure...that's their perogative

...and I don't think there is any 'ideal' environment to cope with a tragedy..nor is there any written rule..we all cope with emotions differently and hope not to be judged for that

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..they don't have to tell us anything in regards to his family situation...a family death is of no concern to the BB public..if Scott wants to talk about it he will...whether people vote for him or not when he is nominated is their decision..hopefully based on his time in the house..as with any other housemate

...nobody is 'meant' to vote..they do so out of choice

Again, perfectly said and totally correct.


Really had BB not said anything at all, we likely wouldn't have even known of it until after the series.

In reality shows though,people do continue on them even when a death in the family has occurred, as I said last year with Tom on BB and also acts on the X Factor have too.
I just think BB should not have really said anything, not only to spare Scotts feelings on the matter but also his family's too.
Death in the family is and should be a private matter for the family to decide how they all cope with it and what they individually or together do as to coping with the inevitable grief from it.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by psychtracker

I find this a bizarre notion that you seem to be promoting the BB house as some of psychological counseling camp, or something. You gotta remember they've all known each for a little over 10 days. Plus, every word they utter has the potential to be broadcast on National TV to 1.5 million pple. So, i wouldn't exactly say the BB house is the ideal environment for coping with a family tragedy, or a highly personal event on the outside.

Well your findings are very mistaken then, and if you read the post again it states that even the coldest housemates are likely to be there for him, in 'this' circumstance,not other circumstances,if he maybe needed them to talk to,which it appears he hasn't and doesn't anyway.So nothing to relay to the viewers in that instance in any case.
I believe despite the competitiveness of the series between them, people are on the whole decent when it comes to something like a death affecting someone.

They've known each other for only 10 days true, however in that 10 days they have eaten,slept in the same room and interacted together 24/7.
That rarely happens outside so some sort of attachment be it good or bad will come more easily and quickly.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Again, perfectly said and totally correct.


Really had BB not said anything at all, we likely wouldn't have even known of it until after the series.

In reality shows though,people do continue on them even when a death in the family has occurred, as I said last year with Tom on BB and also acts on the X Factor have too.I just think BB should not have really said anything, not only to spare Scotts feelings on the matter but also his family's too.
Death in the family is and should be a private matter for the family to decide how they all cope with it and what they individually or together do as to coping with the inevitable grief from it.

BB is different to Xfactor though in that the premise is you dont know how the public feel about you or what is being shown....so he has already been out to get the news...hes gone back in...okay...but if he goes back out for the funeral...he will have an edge over other HMs...so the playing field is far from level....after what happened with Tom last year which obviously couldnt have been foreseen, the Producers should have put a clause in place to say if there is a family problem and you have to leave, then thats it you have to leave end of.

[Ammi]

..I've never heard of a death in a family described as 'having an edge' before...
..how very devious of Scott..

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well your findings are very mistaken then, and if you read the post again it states that even the coldest housemates are likely to be there for him, in 'this' circumstance,not other circumstances,if he maybe needed them to talk to,which it appears he hasn't and doesn't anyway.So nothing to relay to the viewers in that instance in any case.
I believe despite the competitiveness of the series between them, people are on the whole decent when it comes to something like a death affecting someone.

They've known each other for only 10 days true, however in that 10 days they have eaten,slept in the same room and interacted together 24/7.
That rarely happens outside so some sort of attachment be it good or bad will come more easily and quickly.

What do you mean my findings are incorrect? do you believe the BB house should be viewed as some kind of psychological training camp or something? We have no idea how the other HMs would react. And as i said previously, how do you know some of them wouldn't be shocked that he didn't leave the house, and now view him as somewhat cold and heartless.

I still find it bizarre you're quoting the virtues of Reality TV, as a way to deal with these events.

Here's the Wiki Page from the first ever winner of BB. I'm not saying everybody would come out of the BB experience feeling this bitter and mentally scared, but i think it counter-balances your "flowery" argument about what a great place the BB house is for coping with such a tragedy.

Bart Spring in 't Veld (Roelofarendsveen, September 18, 1976) is a Dutch television producer and the first winner of Big Brother in the world: in 1999 he won the first Big Brother in The Netherlands. Ever since then, he has been trying to rid himself of the image created by the show that he claimed 'stole [his] life'. [1]

In an interview with The Times newspaper of London, Bart revealed to have suffered five breakdowns in the past eight years as he tried to get back his privacy, now in distaste over the celebrity culture, quoting:

"If it's true that I helped to create that mindless monster, I'm not too proud of it...Big Brother took away the need to make inspiring programmes and replaced them with mindless chatter. It's time to put it in a museum for weird artefacts of television history.”

[Ammi]

..I don't see anyone promoting the BB house as any type of 'psychological training camp'..merely stating that if Scott does decide to stay.. they feel his housemates would be supportive of him..whether that's true or not remains to be seen as none of us know the facts and therefore shouldn't be assuming or speculating anything

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I don't see anyone promoting the BB house as any type of 'psychological training camp'..merely stating that if Scott does decide to stay.. they feel his housemates would be supportive of him..whether that's true or not remains to be seen as none of us know the facts and therefore shouldn't be assuming or speculating anything

Yet another excellent post from you, Amni.

[Jarvio]

In my opinion, the people who have called Scott horrible things need to be ashamed of themselves. People deal with grief in different ways. Do you know the guy personally, or the situation in detail? No. Very sad that people harshly judge like this...

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I don't see anyone promoting the BB house as any type of 'psychological training camp'..merely stating that if Scott does decide to stay.. they feel his housemates would be supportive of him..whether that's true or not remains to be seen as none of us know the facts and therefore shouldn't be assuming or speculating anything

Well that's what we are debating, joeysteele (and others), seem to believe that the BB house is a good place to be dealing with the death of a close family member, and i take a differing viewpoint.

Why shouldn't we be speculating? These constant lines you keep running with that - it's his private life, and we shouldn't judge etc. I find bogus. He's there on National TV, on BB...and we are on a forum commenting about a HM. That's what we do on these forums. You can't make some moral assumption, that because a death has occurred, outside the house - we on these forums should all retract our thoughts, opinions and speculation on why the HM decided to stay, or whether the BB house is a healthy environment for dealing with such a situation.